Natural Liberation

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Sunday talk.
Buddha teaches liberation; methods of liberation; birth and death is itself nirvana.


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remind me to get better

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think shakyamuni buddha our founder said
when his early teachings right we all know kids
this is suffering and this is the origin of suffering from this is the cessation of suffering this is the path leading to the cessation of suffering
he said this when he was asked about various speculative questions about the nature of reality and
what happened after we die and anything universe finite or infinite in a and philosophical questions
they were very great he wouldn't answer because he only talking for thing he said
and when i heard that contain that that was moving can eat it and tried not to waste time talking about being a work related to this fundamental issue
ah okay said as he could why do i only teach the with it because they're connected with a goal of liberation but they are fundamental to the spiritual life and they lead to awakening and freedom
so he always concerned with repair
were suffering and the freedom from suffering
and so today i thought i'd bring out various ways of
i've been free from are liberated from from suffering on a traditional on the buddha
in a logical progression and also a way you look at how harder then school or deals with his question
haha when the context of that of the whole buddha dharma so on an errand i so what do we need my suffering mean something in a big word and and i can prepare a girl maybe that's
it's to that's too much too big like suffering so from cannes i think of it as gift discontent
i think even if people say well not really suffering my wife's kind of okay but i think everybody at least some time has gone this contempt their dissatisfaction with the way things are going in their life i lived on and off if not a wave and i have another word would be stress placed on
and their stress or and your news
and and as comes in a form of are various quickly nine states are on the buddha's teaching the basic the basic nine states that sometimes i said to be the origin of suffering look in office i could be suffering a discontent in and know themselves
our greed and hate which are kind of like a painter
cashman a new version and and then there is that doesn't maybe the basic greed hate and confusion or division and then there's also pride
fixed viewed from views and gout and basic six on
suffering mine states and so when i think of what it what is it permitted it's really their do young
the most
they when they really that really gets me and and i've i've often when reflecting on that thinks i've begun practice i feel that ninety percent of my discontent comes from actually is related to practice i'm feeling that my practice
isn't quite good enough doesn't quite hit the mark
something's lacking a ah
care about the buddha and i think down the brutally so great in own how can i ever be right back so on maybe even more like ninety two percent
of my discontent
and it it's we know and a way i feel blessed that they've got a lot of other stuff going on it's all kind of focus in this area but it's kind of ridiculous because i didn't really have such a problem before starting practice
maybe in some way that i it was channeled into into different areas of discontent but it was maybe similar just about my life was not complete somehow and
and i'm actually i feel like the other eight percent is not really big problem i mean i think for everyone you know things like greed and hate and
arise but good kind of just they'd become and go but they kind of the one it's all kind of an underlying and in snarl with the whole my industrial and is this
how i'm doing kind of problem
and even i think when i
when i think of first starting practice it wasn't a wasn't so much i didn't think of that at the time so much as like i need to be free from suffering with more like i want you experience my life completely and fully but when i look at that now even that is like it's just the reverse of okay
note discontent
there's something not being fully experienced
so with with this is the example of or
of my special brand of discontent on our
bring up these various ways to be free from from the picket line skate and you can you know maybe if i knew it some other on more like a virgin into something or attachment is something are really working with
pride or doubt or something like that then you can apply that on
with to this our kitties various ways of being free and they kind of on could present them chronologically ah in the early teachings of buddha the emphasis i would say was on renunciation and this is the way to be free from these are on affected mine
data from suffering is is to neither renounce their
the cognitive conditions for these states or on are epic thought to actually renounce or regular the the thought itself so so for me that if god is on
i am not living up to my full potential
the renunciation package would be
one way to look guy will be just let go of that god just drop it and reading go maybe had a little bit of feeling of like this thing that i kind of i kind of want to get rid of i noticed so it can be greater or lesser degree of pure letting go there can be kind of like kind of wishing it would go away and start
pushing away recall reading go and a more just really without any aversion just dropping it
but this is still based on believing that i have this problem and i need to get rid of it to some extent there's some motivation to medeco ago so it will be gone and and but this practice of enunciation you're letting go is as we say in our ordination ceremony will say the country
every annunciation is common to all buddhist orders were including then so are these these different approaches god i'll bring up i think we are on their all aspects of of zen practice
this was the kind of emphasis in their early teens and then i
and then made anyways the mahayana movement a great vehicle
yeah was it was kind of later movement in in buddhism bed there
that grew out of the early teachings and one way to talk about the approach to
freedom from these ah
from discontent is purification so if the early model is renunciation on a great vehicle this purification and one can create margolyes great vehicle teachings which are kind of were emphasized in east asia like china and japan and korea
van in china they got really into and are still into
they can repenting ceremonies and i think they originally developed in the ten k school in china and they're particularly my on flavoured approach to freedom and with repenting ceremonies evolve or have repented the confession
of have afflicted nine days and then they also involved doing some positive energetic packets so usually with can evolve is paying homage to lock the buddhas and bodhisattvas and awakened beings and bowing to them and
maybe hundreds and hundreds of of them there are lots of lots of about
bearing kind of calling for the buddhas and bodhisattvas to help both the purify ice actually
when we on the former and here we do a kind of repentance
precept ceremony and it's kind of a combination of the early buddhist on
recitation of precepts and these chinese repaired ceremony so in an our for moving ceremony we do this bowing and i'm paying homage to buddhas and bodhisattvas we don't do it for so long but we do that quite a bit to be included in the league office and know i can get this comes from this chinese practice of
calling them for to help purify us and our in tibet in teaching the stairs they have madras on for practice which is larger side for interest on bodhisattva who are is marsha and when repeat this mantra over and over it's a purifying
packers and when visualizes roger time where i'm coming to
purify us and
okay maybe it can be compared to the christian tradition of hail mary's as a equator exonerated from primer and then different way to look at it but
also i think it this purification practice is really based on faith i think it can only work if we have really strong faith in buddhas and bodhisattvas however that
how do we think of them as really like invisibly out there were some hidden form or a guest as awakened energy throughout the universe or something but i think if we don't have strong faith and and this is kind of practice and maybe doesn't work so well
so there's this purification
when any in our on tradition here in inventing re one aspect of this is where we have this check and is on in a girl games kind of now and we chanted before dharma talks from and i and down
ah born in one of the section directors i know our past the more karma has the accumulated on day being the cause and condition of obstacles and practice in the way may all buddhas in our ancestors you have attained the boot away be compassionate to us and free us from karmic effects allow
allowing us to practice the way without hindrance
and he goes on like this basically invoking and beseeching nice good as and ancestors to help us and for years and again i think without some kind of imaginative
hey that on that they that they are help is coming to us
maybe this kind of practice didn't so effective brought on right that's an aspect and zan of around purification by amon it's almost like praying to the buddhism and ancestors to help us

and i think also connect your one aspect of focus on the renunciation and and this purification honor
the renunciation we let go of the yeah
the affliction but then it arises again we like go some thought and then it arises again and we just can't just go get regular is continue to let go and we did we do teach the that's the packers and that's worn way to look at the practice but i'd say it's not it's weren't
aspect of the practice or not really compete in the sense that are there still
guess basic illusion continue to arise when we let it go there like
ah somehow you can see that well you seen the night for a buddha
the buddha wouldn't have to
approached their there
this content in this way that it wouldn't keep arriving somehow i maybe we think a word for a buddha but arm
this is one maybe maybe maybe yoga flaw in this in the three annunciation practices are they are fiction discontinued to arrive
forever maybe and with a temporary relief

and so we have renunciation and then the mahayana practice of purification and then in when the diamond vehicle or larger yojana approach which developed out of the mahayana
when aspect of working with mm with nice by discontent thing was transformation
kind of renunciation your purification you can transform our to is afflicted nine states on the news then actually sort of the practice of contra comes out of his and a way to look at it and in the sense of our our discord
not if we're looking into car i'm not living up to my full potential how can that be transformed
it's it's like using the energy runner
the the so kind of problem so in this case they were now as beckett on maybe this wouldn't be considered exactly on the usual version of of tantra but something like
raising the energy of this thought to hire instead of trying to like that go elevator or kind of diminish it will now really get into it like i'm not living up to michael potential and i bring that forward and down
create so much energy around at that that there's some shift in collide
i'm alert president awareness which whatever activity is being done and
and then and then see no actually like i've actually kind of feel like i'm living i'm putting my potential now i got all this energy going around this day and so it's almost like a reverse from my normal chinese or to get rid of the start it's it's a sort of a problem it's kind of the opposite it's like going towards it getting into it and then
hat using the energy of it too
be freed from it and and in this case maybe it would be actually
at the and of of the thought living not living up to my full potential and actually feeling like from this energy and inspire me to actually i'm live in such a way that now i feel like i'm living up to my full potential and the way this can work with different different
deluded mind problems i could
maybe can be manifest in many different ways
and sudan are
that is doing it to their please the so-called hinayana or small vehicle to his early approach i'm not can be denigrating feel like i just say it's a it's not as expansive a model for it's a smaller narrower way is that there's the renunciate
one and then in the greater vehicle is algo is on purification without any avoidance and then in the from the mondrian know there's
transformation is not even kind of purified by using the energy for you can see it's kind of a room
in a way during more each of them in a way going more towards the a problem
when you can say and then i would say before it are
my fate of of liberation
is in the zen tradition is natural liberation or self liberation
and again then
could use our reno and goes you know speak out and employee these practices such as renunciation and and i'm dumb
and purification and transformation allegan on our can be upheld and and news but but this so liberation no national liberation is is unique to this i'm a productive design school it also of course found in other traditions
he's like the great perfection tradition in tibet and macromedia in tibet and also advaita vedanta and other other traditions of asia and the west and days all and called the most non dual relationship with
problem right there aren't the discontent in this case hum
so as if you if it seems like in thousand of these methods is getting closer to the discontent this one is there's no separation from the discontent and
in a way it's the moist
radical you could say because the and all three are are kind of making the containing into something and doing something about it rather renouncing it purifying that are transforming it this weren't is the approach is not doing anything about it was actually are
completed being whatever it is
on another way to speak of they would be a see the true nature of the discontent could see that a arises
due to all the causes and conditions in the entire universe and inconceivable way
therefore it's completely ungraspable and for example the thought i'm not living up to my full potential when we started to examine that thought that seems so real and if we really get into that dot it seems so
you know where you can get really enmeshed in in the discontent
right to examine it turned towards it and examine it and see how at thought is completely ungraspable and
ah actually imagined by the mind
it's not that there's nothing there but this arising of
i will we see as the gone due to all these inconceivably to all all the conditions in the universe
when we can't see it that way we only see it
in this distorted way
as a as and we see the thought as external to ourselves and therefore something that can
they can almost like attack ourself from outside
so i proceeded with the true nature of it's ungraspable and completely feeding and i can't get a handle on the spot
the exam
without a thought even disappearing it can still continue to arise according to conditions like this or because it's ungraspable it's it can harm us or can't get into it it can come you can't carry us down to repeat of suffering
and this can see it's major like is is
when a sense
more difficult you could say than the other approaches that of enunciation and so on brought in another sense it's like it's the parent of not doing anything about it the path of guests seeing it as it is

so i would say it in natural liberation because the the thought is is naturally liberated or self liberation not meaning reich the cell but that it's deliberated in and of itself or liberated by itself it's now
not using any technique actually to commemorate a guy itself liberated are naturally the liberated
but i'm doing anything
i am so at and then on i think in in the classic than ratings you can find examples of all these methods of liberation and this non method will particularly streaming throughout the den tradition one or in story
guy comes to mind it's simple story that gun of one of our ancestors the before ancestor in china and his awakening story was in tender a teacher and he was right with discontent and know we don't know exactly the nature of it but i mean god
he really had problems and we rented a third ancestor and said on
i'm pleased in your great compassion or give me away to that on be liberated
you give me the teaching of liberation give me the way of liberation and i could i imagine that he acid and great sincerity and because he was really stuck and how the three ancestors said who is it it's binding you and and the proton sister how look with
a will actually nobody is binding me i honestly just have been why are you seeking liberation
and when he heard those words he was greatly awaken and was now and then there was liberation and he wasn't seeing elaboration anymore
who read it it's by mimi
he added really look i think i imagine that he did we really work in cause i'm actually nobody is binding me and how clear of course nobody's by name
if they ate him himself but what is that even nobody's buying a home are they why and why secret since like oh or yeah groups
maybe that was his great awakening was works
and then maybe and then maybe like oh nevermind and depravity
we don't know what these great awakenings look like and or they might they might update like i'm you know sparks flying into
so and then there's then vendors on i answer your go again
ah the founder of our tradition and on
so i think wanted it one other ways to look at this particularly if the if the question is kind of their a spiritual questionnaire these spiritual seeking which i think guess this ninety percent of my problem is is kind of in that area
and so so i can go against guessing this when he brings up this relationship of of nirvana which is spiritual liberation free freedom from now on problems of the mind from from the region instead
wait us down
he painted with nirvana
if you freedom and then samsara is is traditions had to be the opposite the chinese way of saying of translating some sire his birth and death
it's the cycle of birth and death and caused by the by the
diluted way of seeing things that actually keeps us believing that there is such thing as birth and death
it is that the basic problem that the but the indian and chinese people around saw that kind of root of the problem so dogan has his essay called birth and death
we could say this about some sarah
and he says if you search for a buddha outside birth and death it will be like trying to go to the southern country and you with your spear headed towards the north or like trying to see the big dipper while you're facing south you will cause yourself to remain all the more in birth and death
lose the way of emancipation
so looking for a buddha or liberation outside of birth and death is ongoing going the opposite direction and of quickly you will give you think that that would be the way could they seem like opposites but you saying actually
there's there's not as buddha outside of brick and dec
and this is this is the official with non dual approach ah
our of self liberation that birth and death if nationally liberated herself liberated in and of itself
just understand that birth and death is itself new manner there is nothing such as birth and death can be avoided there's nothing such as nirvana to be sought only when you realize this are you free from birth and death this is seeking a true nature of birth and death
breaking down is itself in your honor and i think this will pay back here could be
tonkin faded endlessly and i
what what exactly does it mean i wonder it's implications ah and do you really think at birth and death is is sound nirvana is is this one and things of playing with words
what would it mean if if actually vary contact me the way meaning the start i'm not living up to my full potential is that thought itself nirvana is that god itself liberated
and by seeing the true nature of the cod maybe we can see how
it's not what we think it is
this birth and death is the life of buddha if you try to excluded you will lose the life of buddha would you claim you were trying to remain in it you will also lose the life of buddha and what remains will be the mere form a buddha only when you don't dislike birth and death or loss
on for them you enter buddha mind
i think the only what you can try this practicing noctis like and birth and death are lying for them but again i think this would only be temporary letting go measure and without actually seeing that your nature of birth and death
and then naturally are seeing the true nature
we even if there seems to be disliking and
longing for
those are part of birth and death so that the true nature of disliking longing com
i also felt liberated
however do not or speak about it
just satisfy your body and mind forget about them and throw them into the house of buddha then all is done by buddha
so this is another way once you kind of like been contemplating this can be says don't analyze or speak about it
the just set aside by and i forget about and and throw them into the house and bruder
i know the way
speaking about ah
this national liberation
the actual practice of it
just just gonna throw body and mind and get a house and buddha
when you follow this year new offering a comeback in debt and become a buddha without effort of calculation who then continues the thing

is the self liberation and natural vibration
appears in all kind of spiritual traditions and outside spiritual traditions to and in a way it's it's not anything on
if you really look at what it is it's on it's not doing anything about anything so it's in a way are not so different from before ever hearing about spiritual practice
people who've never on
you don't bring up this problem of of liberation on aren't doing anything about it maybe and for any sense they're free and they don't i need these teachings
in a way
one can say that the that the people who who have is concerned about
about about freedom in this way or the ones who need the teachings and anime or will become free from them and it's like it's like a special brand of our mental sickness
that we like create this is power and gets a in some ways it's everybody's problem but ah
so maybe it is the way that other people would put it in non spiritual terms there would be very similar tours that wouldn't use spiritual language
but if we we get into the realm of buddha dharma this is the way we talk sometimes

just you and ah i just like a read this passage i'm about this type of practice from the tibetan tradition with a cheating a long campa who is one of the greatest
masters in this great perfection tradition and ah
this whole most of his writing with actually i'm just i'm almost like a guided meditation to that point to this mine in a very inspired kind of way
so as you as you listen to this just please relax and on and see our
when it does and doesn't do and
to preface it by saying the we always points towards this nine the war on effortless kind of mind so i'm
we should also know that long campaign and our his great masters you talk the these are nine euro liberation the mind a gradual way of living and practice was might look your eyes like and i get making great efforts like long camp has spent most of his life living in rich
he caves and is practicing meditation right constantly sarah who talks about packages is bay free effortless and around by durham has actual rife with manifesting but we were looks to us like he might be made great efforts so i think what he's talking about if it's an attitude it's it's
i attended a state of mind it's a on it's an approach and then to live away completely
might look like
a very very simple sparse kind of life on right in some ways may be guts ripped on an effortless life when the drake
and also on
we i haven't brought up how all this ties into the teaching of of compassion and creating all beings from suffering but in a way i say kids
that's the whole point and i think if gave everybody on could realize vibration from their on discontent man that's the that's the whole point of the buddha dharma and whole point is for everybody but it's
everybody is just a bunch of individuals so so each needs person realizing this in whatever way works for them is the name point
i'm so somehow we can i encourage each other to on to look deeply and see what we can see

and i think it's also egg echo is our dog and were saying and in this chapter birth and death and about our
samsara and nirvana and matter they're not looking seeing their non-duality is the
the center of
a life of
please and happiness which can spread to all readers
one does not enter a state of freedom or attain nirvana
we aren't changing vast expanse samsara and nirvana have never known existence here there is no frame of reference for renunciation or attainment hope or here but rather a supremely spacious expanse that is the primordial lee enlightened ground of being
all things are near labels for in actuality they are beyond characterization or expression
having decisively experience that samsara is not confusion and nirvana is not freedom lead know i make any effort who had no-one trying to meddle with or alter this
awareness with no breadth and depth is not subject to restrictions or extremes forgive up any frame of reference awareness involving no plans or actions know coming or going and towns no time frame or antidote so drop reapplication and effort
if there is a deliberate frame of reference it is a cause of bondage do not rely on any fixed construct whatsoever right go in even evenness
it is of no concern whether or not all phenomena are timeless a free it is of no concern whether or not the way of abiding is pure by nature it is of no concern whether or not mind itself is free of elaboration it is of no concern whether or not anything has ever existed within the fundamentally unconditioned genuine
state it is of no concern whether or not some syrah and nirvana or by nature of duality it is of no concern whether or not all things and expressions that transcended it is of no concern whether or not confused attempts at proof and reputation are demolished it is of no concern whether or not them you can be realized
he has been realized it is of no concern whether or not you meditate on the ultimate meaning of the two major phenomena it is of no concern whether or not you engage in examination since there is nothing to accept or reject it is of no concern whether or not the way of abiding have ever existed as the fruition it is of no concern whether
nine you have traverse the pads and levels of realization it is of no concern whether or not you are free of all observations it is of no concern whether or not the fruition of liberation is attained it is of no concern whether or not you wander in the six states have some sarah
it is of no concern whether or not you following the footsteps of masters of the past no matter what arises even of heaven and earth change places there is a bear state of relaxed openness without any underlying basis without any reference point nebulous ephemeral and evanescent this is the mode of a
lunatic free of the duality of hope and fear with unbiased view and meditation ordinary consciousness that has caught up in a re-education collapses without the entanglements of wishful thinking there is no thing to strive for or achieved
whatever happened happened and whenever manifests manifest way whatever occurs occur and whatever is be right whatever is anything at all be nothing at all


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