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The talk explores the integration of mindfulness practices with daily life, emphasizing the cultivation of awareness and the intimacy with one's aversive mind states. It highlights mental stability and concentration through meditative practices like focusing on breath, drawing parallels with frameworks such as the Anapanasati Sutta. The speaker discusses the importance of presence and mindfulness in an engaged life, touching on themes of neuroplasticity, synesthesia, and the potential for transformation through meditation. Key analogies include the telescope on a stable platform and the philosopher Monet's artistic attentiveness, illustrating the importance of sustained focus and awareness in understanding the mind.
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Full Catastrophe Living: Reference to the concept from "Zorba the Greek" of embracing life fully and dancing in the face of success or failure, aligning with the book's focus on mindfulness as a way to navigate life's challenges.
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Anapanasati Sutta: A foundational Buddhist text cited for its emphasis on breath meditation, illustrating the speaker’s point about the breadth of Buddhist teachings emerging from this practice.
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Zen and the Art of Archery by Eugen Herrigel: This book is mentioned in relation to the discipline in meditation practice, drawing parallels between the practice of archery and mindful presence.
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One Dharma by Joseph Goldstein: Introduces a story about naturalist Louis Agassiz’s teaching method, highlighting the importance of deep observation and patience.
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Studies on Neuroplasticity: References to research studies on brain adaptability, particularly involving London taxi drivers, violinists, and paraplegics like Christopher Reeves, connecting to mindfulness's role in brain function and healing.
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Mind and Life Institute: Mentioned in connection with discussions on integrating meditation with scientific study, involving public dialogues with the Dalai Lama.
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Synesthesia in Perception: Discussion on how senses can integrate and expand through mindfulness practice, supporting enhanced perception and embodied experience.
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Christopher Reeves' Recovery: Used to illustrate the potential for mindfulness and repetitive practice to facilitate neurological recovery and enhanced brain plasticity.
AI Suggested Title: Mindfulness and the Art of Living
Side: A
Speaker: Jon Kabat-Zinn
Location: Green Gulch Farm
Possible Title: Workshop
Additional text: Tape 3
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I really like going on my fasting. I really love being proud and alive and fascinating that you're the Jews. I love that. And fasting, I don't know what you would be saying, but if you're not proud of this, but if you're not proud of this, I'm going to tell you. Okay. Well, again, thank you for the comment. I noticed on the board there that Rabbi Anderson, one of the teachers here, is doing something with tango. And if you read just the blurb, it's like finding the stillness in the movement and finding movement in the stillness. So they're not really two different things. So sitting meditation you could think of as tango, you know, if you really understood it. But it's very hard to understand silence and stillness because we're such an agitated, kinetic society that we just have a really hard time with what looks like nothing, you know, like non-doing, stillness.
[01:10]
We get impatient. All sorts of mind states come up that we don't like that are aversive. That's the most powerful reason for doing it. Because now you're cultivating intimacy with all of those aversive mind states that run your life anyway, pango or flamenco yourself as much as you want. You'll still run into aversive mind states, right? It won't go as well as you thought, you know, or whatever it is. So the power of recognizing aversive mind states and having a myriad of ways to recognize them and handle them and hold them and not get caught in them is profoundly liberating and can't but influence the spontaneity of your life. This is, you know, one reason I called my book Full Catastrophe Living was because it was a phrase that Zorba, the Greek, used. And Zorba was the, you know, quintessential get up and dance in the face of anything, you know. Success, failure, you would get up and you would dance. Didn't matter.
[02:10]
And so that's really the heart of it, and you have it already. And so does everybody else in the room, and we each have it in our own way. So this is not an either-or. This is, in some way, looking in the places you most don't want to look. And the way you can tell is that's where the most resistance is. So the challenge is, do you want to just go like where you're most drawn, kind of where it's easiest, but still your humanity includes all of it? Or do you want to look in the places where you sort of in some way most tried to go gently, lovingly, with tremendous kindness, not some kind of heavy-duty, macho, punishing trip of any kind, but simply attending to the basic apparatus It gives rise to dance, thought, speech, breath, everything. So it's kind of the ultimate adventure or the ultimate dance. And you don't even need a partner.
[03:12]
Or the whole world is the partner. Or your own best partner. You're learning how to be your good company to yourself. And sit with impatient, frustration, boredom. But it's not about sitting. It's about living your life as if it really mattered. So in a sense, it doesn't matter what path you take as long as you keep your eyes open and come to your senses. And then the hard times will be, you know, your teacher as much as the transportive time. I want to ask a question about the center stage and the wings. My question is, are the wings just sort of intrinsic to the nature of just a multiplicity of, you know, that we have multiple mind states at the same time?
[04:25]
Or is it not in a super goal-oriented way, but is there something about concentration in a set of states that you do put into practice and not to get black and white? Good question. Very, very good question. Can you relate to that question? Did you hear it? about the wings. I said something about featuring the breath center stage in the field of awareness, let everything else be in the wings, but then gradually we invited everything else to be like center stage. So there's nothing that's not center stage. There's no center really. There's no periphery. It's just one seamless field of awareness that immediately knows whatever is arising in it. So the question had to do with, well, what about the center stage and the wings, and is there some virtue in just cultivating concentration center stage on one object?
[05:28]
Is that right? Yeah, yeah. Is the multiplicity in the nature of, I mean, are the wings part of the nature of mind, or is it about... No, the wings aren't part of the nature of mind. It's more like a skillful way to keep certain things in abeyance so that you can develop concentration. It's not like the things that are happening offstage are any less important to you than the thing that you decide to feature. It's more like, and this is one way to think about it. If you want to study the stars through a telescope or a radio telescope, you have to establish a stable platform so that you'll be able to find the star or the planet that you want to look at and then sustain the look long enough so that enough light comes through so that you can see it, photograph it, measure the spectrum of it, and so forth. So you need that stable platform.
[06:29]
So now, if you want to use the mind to inquire into the nature of mind, If the mind is like completely unstable, it's like putting your telescope on a waterbed and then trying to find something. You know, you shift your weight and the telescope goes like this. So that's what happens when we have not cultivated mindfulness or concentration and stability of mind, is that we can't really look at the mind because as soon as we look at it, we get carried away by it. Have you noticed that? I mean, it's like, and then awareness, like five minutes later, we remember, oh yeah, wait a minute, what about the breath? God, where was I? And then you begin to realize, just as William James did, the mind is continually coming here, there, everywhere else. So it's very hard to develop enough stability so that you can actually aim it, never mind sustain the looking beneath the surface of appearances. And that's what we're doing when we attend in the present moment is we are actually being with the full spectrum of an experience rather than just being caught in the surface of it.
[07:35]
Being caught in the surface of a thought would be believing the content. Believing the content. And then spinning out on the content so that rather than just one thought and then it comes and it goes, there's like a hundred thoughts about whatever it is. People mention various things this morning. So there are two aspects really that are involved in cultivating mindfulness. One is cultivating a certain degree of stability of attention so that awareness can be sustained. And you do that by featuring one aspect of your experience, the breath is typically a very good one, center stage and just stay on it. You could do that for the rest of your life and it is an unbelievably powerful practice and gives rise to everything else. And the Buddha himself taught that, called the Anapanasati Sutra in the Buddhist teachings. And it's like everything, all of the Buddhist teachings comes out of just attending to the breath. On the other hand, you can expand the field of awareness and, as we did this morning, rest in a much more spacious field of awareness, kind of like a big mirror.
[08:47]
And the mirror has the property of whatever comes before it, is reflected, right? The mirror doesn't say, well, go away. I don't like that. I want this. I want more of this. The mirror doesn't cling to what comes or goes, and it doesn't advertise or pull for anything. It's just like that. So when we speak about the field of awareness, it's not really a mirror, but it's more like you could say an electromagnetic field. But any time something moves in the electromagnetic field, it is immediately recognized and known without thought. Just like a bird moving through the sky or a cloud or something like that. So Shikantaza or clear present wakefulness, which is in the title of this workshop, is about resting in that kind of open, spacious, luminous wakefulness. Well, it's easy to say, just rest in awareness. Easy to say. It only turns out to be the hardest thing in the world.
[09:50]
So that's why we cultivate it. But at the same time that it's the hardest thing in the world, it's infinitely available in any moment. All we need to do is get out of our own way. And the way we get out of our own way is by noticing how much we get in our own way. And then just by virtue of noticing, that noticing, that aspect that knows is awareness itself, and it's always here. Yeah? Yeah. Okay. What does disassociating mean to you? Yeah. Right. Okay. And what does meditation mean to you?
[10:52]
But present, being present, not leaving, not checking out. So can you check and see whether you are disassociating or just being present? How would you know the difference? Yeah. Yeah, that's why this workshop is called The Body Door, okay? Because in a sense, if you can be with the body, then you're not lost, okay? You're grounded. And that's the first thing the Buddha taught in the Four Foundations of Mindfulness, is mindfulness of body and breath. It's like really ground it. really grounded and something you can always come back to if there's any question about disassociating.
[11:57]
And you're already, you're rehabilitating yourself. You're establishing residence once again in your own sphere and learning how to be at home. And what are the qualities of being at home? Well-being, relaxation, comfort, And a sense of peacefulness, not being disturbed. Loss of hope, being at home. Feels like loss of hope to you? Say more about that. Because you're already complete?
[13:14]
Okay. That doesn't sound like loss of hope. That sounds like... It sounds like complete fulfillment. If you're really at peace with things as they are. What I don't want is for us to get confused on this point because being at peace with things as they are doesn't mean that you shouldn't act in your life to make changes when things as they are are harmful or causing suffering to yourself or others. So it's not some kind of state of passive acceptance that is not at all wise or discerning. that would be ignorant, that would be highly toxic. So being able to really discern what is going on, which is very different from judging, like, don't like, but really call a spade a spade,
[14:21]
and then choose to move in a direction that is nurturing wholeness, kindness, wholesomeness, as opposed to damage, more suffering, more pain. And that's a choice we can make virtually moment by moment by moment. Yeah. I don't know how to do just what you described there, because I've learned to be mindful in meditation, mind too, and I can be in my body and mindful during the day, but when I have to use my mind consecutively, or something like my husband, he's going to sit there and wait and nod at me, but, you know, things go on. I can go up and out, and, you know, but I don't know how to stop it, really. Well, I wouldn't say just. It is keep coming back to it, but just it's very hard work.
[15:23]
But yeah, in a sense, what choice do you have except to rest in awareness in those moments and maintain open heartedness? but not get caught up in your own anxiety. Usually what happens in a relationship is somebody gets anxious, or you get anxious. Have you noticed that? Somebody gets angry. So, hey, let's help the situation out. I'll get angry. I'll take it personally. You can't say that to me. And there we are, fabricating, once again, a condition. And then we, of course, have to attribute causality and blame. So you made me angry. I don't think so. We have to take responsibility for our own participating in this upwelling. And so very often we're in complex relationships with people, but we're not attending to how easily we fall into these horrific habits, many of them genetic. So it almost feels like, oh my God.
[16:25]
You see it in your brothers and sisters. I know it's true for me. It's like, You know, it's just, oh, my God, the curse of being, and then you plug in your name, the last name. It's like, because it's in the generations. It sometimes skips a generation. But, you know, that stuff, that deep genetic karma. And when the proverbial stuff hits the proverbial fan, that's the first thing you'll come up with. You'll turn into your mother or your father or your sister or your brother. And you'll hear stuff come out of your mouth that you just will not believe. Yes. Yes. Okay. And does he want to be helped? So titrated to that extent.
[17:29]
You can see that that's a yoga. You know, that's a yoga. You don't want to overshoot. You don't want to undershoot. And in order to do that, you have to be very, very, very sensitive. And then let's say he lashes out at you because you overshot. Does that ever happen? Okay, too bad. We'll have to choose another example. It doesn't matter. But is there ever a time when he kind of finds fault with you? Okay. But do you take it personally when you're done? Okay, so there's your answer. There's the answer to the question you just posed. Try to be right here with it all and be a little bit more transparent in terms of taking it personally. You don't have to latch on to it and say, you can't. That kind of thing. Just like...
[18:35]
This is really hard work. It's much easier to just sit on a waffle. To be in relationship, I mean, it's really hard. And to maintain moment-to-moment spacious awareness. When you do it for days, weeks, months, years, and decades, What starts out feeling like really effortful, and in fact, people call it deliberate mindfulness. We're cultivating mindfulness, but we're doing it very deliberately. I'm going to meditate now. I'm going to go through my period of mindfulness. I'm going to be mindful in daily life. I'm going to tell myself and remind myself to be mindful in daily life. Keep telling myself to come back to my breathing. All of that scaffolding is absolutely fabulous. But you will find more, the more you practice, the more you will find that it's just kind of like happening effortlessly, that it's just more the way you become.
[19:41]
And then when you fall in a hole, guess what? You acknowledge that you fell in the hole, you lost it, and you just climb out of the hole. And then... you could beat yourself up for the next 10 minutes or 10 years about that, but you don't have to. It's a choice. And then just move on. Next moment. Fresh. Yeah. Sense of sight. Yeah. Are you talking to yourself while you're noticing things?
[20:49]
Like, what did you try to see? Of seeing. Yeah. Well, it's... Yeah. Why? So, how do you know that? How do you know things are changing? Yes.
[21:55]
So you're already doing it. Well, this is great because you're right on top of something here. Right on top of something here. Maybe your expectations are clouding the moment in its actuality because you're already seeing. So then I would ask, well, what do you want? How would it have to be for it to be satisfying or really seeing or whatever you want on the label? Yes, well, it is.
[23:05]
And if you have any intuition that it might be valuable, keep doing it, because it's something that grows. You take somebody like Monet. He spent a lot of time thinking. In fact, there's a famous story about Monet that he was... He was lying in, if you've been to Giverny, he's got these huge gardens, which is where he did a lot of his painting, the water release and so forth. And part of the garden fronts on the sidewalk. And so somebody was walking by, a neighbor, and he was sitting in a chair with his eyes closed. And the neighbor says, ah, Monsieur Monet, I see you're resting. And he said, no, Monsieur, I'm working. And then another time he came by and he saw Monet and he had a whole bunch of easels out there painting the pond at the different stages of the day.
[24:11]
And he moved from one to the other, the light changed. He said, ah, Monsieur Monet, I see you're working. And Monet said, no, Monsieur, I'm resting. So to cultivate eyes of wholeness that can drink it in without having to have it be a certain way and to see the light and the shadow and the form and the color and the movement and everything else, your eyes already do that, but they tune it out all the time. Start here. I'll give you an assignment, okay? Start looking for, and really I mean looking for, reflections in your life. walk down a city street and just see how many reflections there are that you tune out. Because they're everywhere. in glass, and most of them are distorted so that they're not actually like mirror-like reflection. There are all sorts of phantasmagorical sort of distortions of whatever is being reflected in windows and car windshields and everything else, and car bodies.
[25:24]
There are reflections everywhere. We never see them. Why? Because when we see a car, we don't see the car as it is. We see our idea of car. Oh, yeah, Honda. We don't actually see that car. This is a wonderful exercise to do with children. When you're parenting, for instance, parenting, in my view, is one of the most powerful forms of spiritual practice, of meditative practice, mindfulness practice, because it's like you have live-in Zen masters and they're going to push every single button And at the most inconvenient times for you, just when you thought you were going to get a moment. You're going to get a moment, all right, but it's not the one you thought you were going to get. So can you see your children for who they actually are, as opposed to who you want them to be, who you think they are, who you're afraid they are? Very powerful practice and not easy.
[26:27]
So since you say this is your first day of trying, let's just keep practicing, keep seeing, keep attending, and see where it leads, see what happens. Yeah. Just related to that, I just had a thought of, I think a problem for me is when we just leave or just, And it's like there's no reference point. It's just pure. And the mind wants to get something out of it or manipulate somebody or make the important person or someone to get the mind coming in and manipulate Absolutely. That's a wonderful insight. So knock it off already.
[27:29]
Give yourself a break. You see, you're actually acknowledging that you have the capacity to rest in awareness with no center and no periphery and no floor, no place to stand. So float. Or fly. Or just be, you know, beyond all concept. And then, yeah, the mind will intrude and say, well, you know, how can I earn money at this? Or whatever. Whatever. I mean, it's shameless. But then when that too is recognized, then after a while, you know, when you get really sort of... more stable in the awareness, those thoughts that knock on the door don't actually intrude because the awareness is so stable that it's immediately recognized thought intruding and it's just like touching soap bubbles. It arises and you touch a soap bubble and what happens to it?
[28:35]
Okay? So thoughts coming up in the mind, another image that's used classically is water, bubbles of water in a boiling pot. You know, they nucleate at the bottom and then they come up through the water and they go poof, like that. So you can just watch the thoughts in your mind. You know, in this sort of spacious field of awareness, thought, they have a beginning, they have a middle, and they have an end. Every single thought you will ever think, no matter what the content of it, there's a beginning, a middle, and the end. Can you be there for it? Try to live to see that. That's what Kabir said. Try to live to see that. then all of a sudden its content won't have a grip on you the way it did. It'd just be one more event arising in the field of awareness, one more inaccurate event of what, you know. I mean, you know, if you have two or three thoughts in a lifetime that are really profound, you're ahead of the game. A lot of the thoughts that we have are just like, they're like the plague, you know.
[29:37]
They're like little secretions, little secretions of this and that, Much of it clinging, wanting, that kind of thing. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Hmm. Absolutely.
[30:40]
Absolutely. It's cultivating the art of seeing. And of course, when you try to draw something or even photograph something, it's very humbling. It's very, very humbling because it's revealed to you in a way that before you try to draw it, you realize you don't even see it. There's a wonderful story in Joseph Goldstein's book, One Dharma, that's of the naturalist Louis Agassiz, I believe. And when he trained his students, there's one story of he made the student draw a fish. But first he made him sit with the fish for like three days or something like that and just look at the fish before he let him draw it. And, you know, every imaginable emotion came up, you know. Who wants to look at a fish, a dead fish for three days?
[31:43]
But when he drew that fish, he really drew the fish. And if you know the book Zen and the Art of Archery, wonderful book, the teacher made the student draw the bow for about three years with no arrow before he gave him an arrow. Just draw the bow and be able to stand at the point of highest tension with no effort and no aim. When you can do that, then maybe you can have an arrow. So yeah, it's very much that. And then if you develop it for seeing, well, what about the other five senses? Can you develop it for smelling, tasting, touching, hearing, and knowing? And they're all one.
[32:45]
It's not like we have these six senses. They're all happening in real time simultaneously. And that's called synesthesia. I mean, the multiplicity of the senses all happening simultaneously. And there's some very interesting studies or reports of people who are missing a sense. story, there was a big article in the New Yorker about this maybe a year ago. Some guy who has been blind from birth but who has an incredibly developed proprioceptive sense. So he feels where he is in space to a remarkable degree. And he has the capacity, if I remember correctly, to, through the feeling, create a world that's like felt but not visualized. So he doesn't see it the way we see it, but he knows where things are. He... He decided that he would repair his roof one season, and he did it at night.
[33:52]
Drove the neighborhood nuts. He was up there on the roof at night because he didn't need to see. And he didn't fall off. So the senses, we have the potential to extend the senses remarkably. It's said that the Aborigines could see the moons, the large moons of Jupiter, their eyesight was so keen. And in fact, if you have been following the literature on neuroplasticity, the brain actually changes in response to repetitive repetitive training. So, for instance, the right motor and sensory cortex of somebody who plays the violin or the cello with the fingering being in the left hand, and that's controlled by the right side of the body, that the spatial representation of the fingers
[35:05]
in the brain of a violinist, an accomplished violinist who's been playing his or her whole life is much larger, just spatially, just in terms of the amount, the size it takes up in the brain as somebody who plays the trumpet. Or, say, the other side, where it's just the bow, which does require some, but nothing like that. Or London taxi drivers. Do you know the story of the London taxi drivers? There's a part of the brain called the hippocamp, which is associated with many, many different functions, part of the limbic system. But part of it is synthesizing multiple kinds of information. And it turns out they did a study where they just measured the size of the anterior and posterior, that's front and back, hippocampus in London taxi cab drivers and in people who are learning to become London taxi cab drivers. And London's kind of like a medieval city. It's a very complex street map.
[36:07]
It's not like Minneapolis. or even San Francisco. And it turns out that the licensed London cab drivers have a very large posterior hippocampus and a much smaller anterior hippocampus. The novice cab drivers have a much bigger anterior hippocampus, so the ratio is very different, and as they learn the street map, their posterior hippocampus gets bigger and the anterior hippocampus gets smaller. So there's a suggestion here that the brain is continually remapping itself, and there are also examples from people who've lost limbs and so forth, and the that are attendant to those limbs and phantom limb stuff and so it actually spreads out to subtend other regions of the body. Christopher Reeves, who was paralyzed in his horse riding accident, has actually recovered 60% of sensation where he had no sensation from the neck down, none whatsoever.
[37:14]
For five years, he had no sensation. Then he started in on a kind of particular kind of computer electronically stimulated repetitive exercise program, and he started to recover sensation and blowing the minds of his neurologists and rehab specialists because he's actually recovering motor function and sensory function. I've never seen this happen in a C2 paraplegic. And not just him, it turns out there are now like hundreds of paraplegics who are going much further in the direction of recovery, rehabilitation than anybody had ever thought possible. No one knows what the limits of this are, but it's interesting that the nervous system actually responds in these kinds of ways and grows itself in central nervous system in ways that were never thought to be the case before. And I mentioned last night that some of my colleagues and friends are studying Tibetan monks in particular, but we plan to get around to all sorts of meditation practitioners.
[38:25]
But people log tens of thousands of hours of meditation practice, and their brains are just very different from regular folk. And so the brain seems to respond to repetitive training of one kind or another. And so even handling intense negative emotion under stress, you can actually improve the way you handle negative emotion under stress simply by staying present and practicing and coming to your senses, applying mindfulness at the point of contact every single moment that it happens. Now, of course, you won't because who can remember to do it every single moment that it happens? But when someone comes along and gives you a ticket or whatever happens, those are moments where, and you'll find you get more and more of them. When you're in the shower, can you be in the shower? When you're in bed, can you take a few moments to actually realize that you're there? Can you be in your body? It's like never-ending. You eat a lot, can you actually taste what you're eating?
[39:27]
All of that. I would like to actually take just a few more questions and then practice, because we're rapidly coming on to the end of the day. And while this is a form of practice, I want to weave it in with other forms of practice. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, these studies with the monks are not randomized trial because at the moment they're so far out that we're just getting data on them and comparing what they can do individually in various sessions and then how they compare to each other. So they're not randomized trial. Yeah. Yeah. You were asking earlier about . And one of them is, I thought it would be great opportunity to recommit to a personal meditation practice that I'll get.
[40:34]
Thank all of you for making this a way to the likeness. But another story line, probably here, is I'm beginning to want to study meditation. And given your experience of bringing yoga and meditation to the medical setting, and there's a lot more resistance to it, what kind of try to people with grounds to bring it in without forcing it? That's a very interesting question. Did you all hear the question? He's a graduate student in neuroscience who has a desire to actually connect this with meditation practice, his own meditation practice, and also study it. So he was asking about back in the days when I started this stress reduction clinic and mindfulness-based stress reduction in the medical school in 1979, which was a very long time ago, how did I deal with the environment that was not particularly conducive or friendly to that kind of thing?
[41:39]
And I would say in response, the short answer is that it was not unfriendly. for amazingly so, but a lot of it really depends on how you frame things. So, for instance, I didn't call it the Yoga and Meditation Clinic. I called it the stress reduction clinic. If you know anything about Buddhism, often the word dukkha is translated as stress. Okay? Dukkha means suffering, anguish, dissatisfactoriness. The first noble truth is the truth of the universality of dukkha, suffering. Okay? So we call it the stress reduction clinic. Who is not going to relate to that? I mean, the universal response is, well, I could use that. Where is that? So already you set it up in some way to succeed simply by what you call it. Then when they say, well, what do they do in that stress reduction clinic? Oh, we do meditation. Oh, well, yeah, that makes sense.
[42:41]
See what I'm saying? Whereas if you call it the meditation clinic, people will roll their eyeballs. Or even the mind-body clinic in those days. Now you can use that terminology. But... And I like to point out that the words medicine and meditation sound a lot alike. Do you know that? Have you noticed that? Do you know what they mean? Okay, well, the root is, in Latin, is medere, which means to measure, which means to cure. But the Indo-European root is to measure. And it's like medicine is, it's not measure in the sense of holding up an external standard to things and measuring how long something takes or how wide something is, but more that everything has its own right inward measure, kind of akin to homeostasis. So meditation is the restoring of right inward measure when it's disturbed or deranged. And meditation is the direct perception. Did I say medicine is the restoring of right inward measure?
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Did I say that? You don't know. I just did. Before I said meditation, okay. So medicine is the restoring of right inward measure when it is disturbed. And meditation is the direct perception of right inward measure, seeing what's already here to be seen, et cetera. So in terms of the neuroscience, I think if you can find a vocabulary for it that will not trigger a lot of, you know, airy-fairy kind of reactivity on the part of people. It's just a lot of nonsense. And part of it is just learning how to speak about it in ways that are sensible, talking about the studies that are already published about it. And just that you should know, we just held a public meeting with the Dalai Lama at MIT. I don't know if you know about that, do you? Yeah, the Mind and Life Institute.
[44:46]
And we're going to hold a summer institute specifically for graduate students in neurobiology and others like yourself, so you might want to come and... Oh, good. Okay. Well, great. But I had surprisingly little resistance for any number of reasons, but ultimately it turns out to be mysterious. And then the way I like to put it is before they knew what happened, the University of Massachusetts Medical School was more well-known by about a factor of a million for meditation and mindfulness than for anything else that was being done there. That's not the case anymore because a very profound discovery happened at UMass a couple of years ago that I'm not exactly sure what it's called. It's iRNA, and I don't remember whether it's interference RNA or whatever, but some very famous, very interesting discovery of regulation of proteins with RNA.
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But aside from that, they're known for mindfulness, and they have no idea how it happened. And they're not averse to it either, It's now seen as part of medicine. It's not like alternative medicine. I mean, I always hated alternative medicine, new age, all that stuff. I mean, this is like just part of good medicine, recruiting the, mobilizing the inner resources of the patient as part of the treatment. It should be a participatory medicine where inner and outer are brought together. And that's what we're developing. So there was one more back there, yeah. Yeah. Well, this comes back to what I was saying earlier.
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When you say too painful to be mindful, what do you mean? Can you be there for part of it? For a small stretch of it? Or do you try to just obliterate the time by distracting yourself all the time? Until you... Yeah. Well, I don't want to... seem facile about it because you know this is as i said very very hard work but it hinges around that issue that i brought up earlier about is the awareness of your pain in pain so
[48:42]
in a sense, what you're experiencing is a time of healing or a potential coming to terms with things as they are. And when you don't want the things to be as they are or you have aversion to it, then there's a tendency to sort of just contract or fall into the hole. But it's really also an opportunity to be with contraction and aversion. And that awareness that can hold contraction and aversion and the suffering and the pain is actually free from, in the present moment, from those elements, even though those elements themselves are very, very, very much present. So in a sense, it's like a balm. It has the potential to actually soothe or heal. what is going on in the present moment if you're willing to step into it. But it's very counterintuitive because you most want to just get as far away as possible until it's over.
[49:50]
Then I'll pick up my meditation practice. But it's a tremendously missed opportunity. And you don't have to do this like gung-ho all at once. You can do tiny little stretches of mindfulness and repeat them many times. Okay, so just like, can you be here for one indra? one in-breath and one out-breath, say an hour, then maybe two minutes. We did a couple of three-minute meditations. Did you feel like they were too fast or too short? I mean, it really is outside of time. If you're willing to do that, okay, it's like, well, a half hour would be better. Okay, string a bunch of three minutes together and you've got 30 minutes. Okay? But if you're kind of waiting for something to happen and you're kind of just wadding on as the clock moves, well, that's not really meditation practice.
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So it's like right in this moment, right in this moment, right in this moment. Tired? Take a little break. Then... Actually, who knows that you're tired? That awareness? Right here already. Who knows that you're hurting and can't stand to practice mindfulness? That awareness? Do you understand what I'm suggesting? So it's like it's never not part of the repertoire, but it requires a kind of featuring. It's amazing how fast the day goes. Would you like to actually do some more formal practice? And we can't even see what the weather's like here, but how about we go out in the garden and we practice a little walking meditation, then come back and we have a final sitting together, and we'll close before 4 o'clock. Would that be all right? So now here's the assignment for going out there.
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I won't... Spend a lot of time on it. But if you're new to walking meditation, there are a lot of different ways to do it. You can do it fast. You can do it slow. But what I suggest is that you get down into the garden and just walk at whatever pace you want to. But it could be fairly slow. and where you're just with every step, and you're experiencing the foot making contact with the floor, with the ground, and then you're shifting the weight onto the foot, the back heel comes up, and you're walking. Or go up to something in the garden, a flower, a tree, and simply practice standing meditation, and just drink in what's in front of you. Don't sight-see, but see the sights. Okay, just look at the hill, look at a tree, look at a bush, look at a bird, and just stand there.
[52:53]
Okay, and then I'll ring a bell to bring you back, but just to say, you know, it'll be about 15, 20 minutes at the most. So don't slow walk out to the garden because you'll never get to the garden. And then when you hear the bell, come back at a normal pace so that we get back in this room in time. Let's keep up a seamless continuity of awareness even as we come into the hall and take our seats. Sitting in this moment, as if your life depended on it. So that there's nothing particularly lax or casual about it, but it's also not rigid, but simply being in your body in this moment. And finding that
[54:03]
degree of expansiveness of awareness that feels appropriate to you in this moment and settling into it. And we practice for no reason whatsoever. So without any agenda other than to be awake to this moment. In touch with the Soundscape, the airscape, the smellscape, the bodyscape, the mindscape, the nowscape. Not pursuing anything, not rejecting anything.
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understanding that in some way this sitting here, this willingness to stop, be present, drop in, is a radical act of wisdom, a radical act of self-compassion, Radical act of love. So in the remaining few moments of this sitting, seeing if you can really bring the full spectrum of your attention to the present moment.
[60:55]
Allowing each in-breath to be a new beginning. Jal breath, a complete letting go of what has been. a dying, so to speak, to the future, to the past, and an embrace of the full dimensionality of this moment, which is often so opaque to us or so covered by feelings or thoughts, vexations, And if any of anything, any moment that we have spent together today or last night resonates in some deep way with you, or even in some not necessarily so deep way, but that there's a resonance here, that
[62:21]
maybe related to what brought you in the first place, then this is a potential garden for you to nurture and nourish, to explore and to adventure in, keeping in mind that there's no one right way to practice. but finding your way with a capital W, not driven by greed or aversion or deluded ambition,
[63:26]
but perhaps by a deep yearning to be, to recognize your wholeness, to reconnoiter and map the terrain of the outer landscape and the inner landscape of your mind and heart and body and life. And live in a way that embodies authenticity and wakefulness. not merely for yourself, but in some way or other be of service, contribute to the flowering
[64:46]
and intelligence and creativity and beauty in this life, in this moment, and in this world. and perhaps coming to see stillness and silence as profound allies that can be cultivated. And the awareness that we already have perhaps not merely an ally even, but ultimately the truest manifestation of who we are and nourishing that.
[66:09]
Moment by moment, breath by breath, day by day, as if your life depended on it. And I'll come back in 20 or 30 years and we'll see how it's going. Taking a moment or two and just allowing your eyes to open as you maintain this awareness, and through sensing and drinking in the presence of everybody else in the room, recognizing that in some profound way we all share the same heart and the same mind and perhaps the same yearning
[67:30]
for happiness to not suffer, for peace, for wisdom, for compassion, and for being a part of something larger, where we can feel seen and heard and known and belong. The community of all of us, of all life on this planet,
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expressing itself in the briefest of moments we call lifetimes. And it has the potential to give rise to levels of creativity and beauty and tearing of which we do not dream. So in closing, I would like to simply express my deep appreciation to all of you for coming here today. for exploring mindfulness practice.
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And I leave you with the hope or the wish that perhaps something that you saw or heard or felt or sensed or knew at some moment today spoke to you in a way that will have its own resonances and its own lingering and that you can continue to in some way or other nurture, feed, and rest in the shade of. And that's what we call the discipline of practice.
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So thank you. for your attention, for your intention, for your beauty. And as the Navos say, and I like this very much, may you walk in beauty. May you walk in beauty. And know it. Because you already do. So thank you, folks.
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