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so this classes an introduction to the precepts rate as limit
and i am can
don't think i have enough of these this is a bibliography for precepts class that this was put together for one of reds classes feeling and yet sound
the post yeah
it's quite extensive
and there's even more since this was put together of places that you could read about the precepts
small articles akin where she has a book out is in a book meaningful to behold this chapter and going for refuge is just a lot of different place you can find it and in the library we have
to fees fees on netflix them unreserved and in these notebooks are a lot of those articles already gathered as well as lectures by ramp suzuki roshi and other things that had been written about the precepts
there's somebody's paper for a class food
as doing to our was that gap berkeley rigid class them anyway so just dissolved gather together playing some wonderful person who practiced together is to of these and they're located in this library on top of the am one of those glass cases they think so
in the library or against for those of you practice straight and steady how you can i think that's okay to take it to steady put it back that doesn't seem right
and then
but anyway there's a lot of material here more than you know we'll be getting too
the other book essay i guess i didn't bring a bit hum
aiken wrote book mind of clover so currency
he says that
i can see max baucus up a one of williams' ashley those of you who don't live in greenville why don't you start out taking those and then we'll see how many are left and the nausea export for being those couple
aiken know she's cooked mind of clover is about the precepts and it's still in print and we could order
copies i wanted to get an idea of how many people might want their own copy how many people would like a copy of acre know she's put mind of clover bomber you can't take britain
this okay couple down here
and also a tension we have anderson is writing a book on the precepts which isn't an yet breakdown
someday will have their book it's going through editing process down
but there are a lot of unpublished lectures by suzuki roshi and the precepts from an ip seventy seventy one sixties their selection from sixty seven and a lot of those are in here so
i think i'll also xerox one one or two little look at those in class
so
i get wanting to teach this class for about a year now at last year at this time i was on sabbatical right when the practice period began and i went on to test sahara for three weeks right in november evening end of november to do the democrats transmission ceremony with grip and
part of that transmission ceremony is
transmission of the precepts the precepts get transmitted so that
ah after the ceremonies are finished the dharma transmit he is some k so there's some extra here so people who works
after the ceremony
the the dharma transmit t is able to
ah give the precepts to others that's part of what gets transmitted in in that ceremony and so the precepts have really been i've been out
i've been feeling very close to them and wanting to study them and have taken them up myself and when it came time for them to choose a class to teach at that that's exactly what i want to teach
so that i can study myself more about the precepts so i feel like we're we're all steadiness together and
i just wanted to say a few words about
coming to when i first came to zen center
i there there was nothing really said about the precepts they don't remember any lecture bringing it up there was nothing except maybe you get yours mind particularly which was one of the books
that i was reading and it wasn't emphasized in any way outwardly you know in a m
ah
manifested way and
i didn't actually know how one would go about receiving the pieces that we weren't doing the full moon ceremony which we now do every month so we weren't recited them regularly and they were being talked about and there were people who wore a the rocks soon you know buddhists role and i remember thinking
g
want one of those whatever they are
mostly because people who wore them i was quite drawn to us and people i just
i was
their practice was something that seemed very admirable so
if they em probably was something that was pretty good or something but it wasn't even talked about how one would receive them are just was not in the air so i remember
at what i was done it down at sahara i think i been around for about three years and then someone said well there's going to be a layered nation you're going to do it aren't you
and i said sure yeah
and now but there was kind of it i didn't request to receive the precepts from anybody or really think about whether it was time whether this was something i really wanted to take on it was just can like the next thing that
you did if you were hanging around
a week
so that practice period we had a visitor from japan joshing sam
many of you have heard of was a she was a tiny about four feet tall literally japanese none who came and taught rock sioux sewing and actually they've been another teacher yoshida roshi who came to zen center and taught okay cases sewing when
earlier on but i was so new that i didn't even know that was really happy but it doesn't hire much ocean sound came we really did the practice of sewing together and we spend a lot of the days so it wasn't a sewing machine but we were around time was given to working with her and
and she was like a human sewing machine and she or her thumbs well i don't know if you care about ocean turns stumps but anyway they were of a kind of have this laptop and she could use the way she used her needles she could go very very quickly and very accurately
and it was a little bit like the shoemaker in the elves sometimes where
you would have the pieces that i've i began sewing okay so later and worked with her you'd have the pieces that she'd say i'll just give them to be given to me and then in the morning you'd come back and they'd all be put together
out he would work into the night very busy i don't know very few have seen her any cases that she's so iraq so somebody recently was wearing one blanche blanche was a we sleep had one on
so the quality of the stitching is the quality of someone's sincerity and someone's mind as they're working it's it's very
apparent and you can see the you can tell by looking at
these rogues
the heart mind and of the person who so
it's not necessarily that the stitches and perfect that carries that long but you can just feel
so
so not measure was say not much was said about the precepts for the origin of them or anything but it just how are we began doing in nineteen seventy two the body sat for ceremony
which we now do regularly every full moon and it was introduced in japanese we did it all in japanese
and it was very powerful i found the ceremony very powerful the the melodious chanting which was so different from the morning chanting
and i would actually especially when the calculus was really strong and have been working on it for long time sometimes people would practice for ten days straight everyday and go off into the hills and they would be given time to to chanted practices and then but then the night of the ceremony in the form of night
the tradition was
to take a steam bath will take a plunge bath is that ah sorry then take a steam and then jump into creek and if any time of year whatever it was freezing here somewhere or whatever jumping the creek and then you go into the ceremony
so sent the quality of the void it was very had been really warmed up you know for for doing this and i would often shows are transported i'm just riding the voice inches in japanese
and also an english
but we ought but we didn't recite the precepts after the formal ceremony we would just do them via repentance bodhisattva vows and the young
names for the buddhists in ancestors
ah and the three refuges at the end so then we added just
i'm not sure how long ago maybe somebody else just maybe six eight years ago adding the recitation of the bodhisattva precepts at the end of the formal ceremony so that the recited and a regular basis
so visit mrs canavan a history of my association or or on we should be making that it
recite the bodhisattva precepts after well we received the ceremony from capsicum and roshi when he was there just you know without that so i think it was added i think norman and grandbaby decided it that would be you know taking our hands
community by for living when you take precepts part of what you pledge to do or vowed to do is to recite them monthly and many of these groups get together the community macro living small groups are dotted throughout the country of people who have received the precepts in that luggage
and neagh have made this fall to recite them so they get together to saved them so all these tiny groups have
formed like living room groups and come together at least once a month to do the recitation so it may have come out of that because the number of people have been involved a chick and hand and it maybe it evolved from to
i wanted to ask how many people know by heart who could just be site like right now the young bodhisattva precepts
i felt one of the things that we could
work towards is that everybody would be able to recite them by heart i think gum
memorization used to be a very well as you may know all the sutras for hundreds of years were recited by heart by
they were memorized and passed on orally
so the capacity of the human mind to memorize this is vast and we've lost that you know we don't do much memorization anymore but it's almost like a muscle like an atrophied muscle you know once you get going and
like many of you know i know can chant some of the chance in the morning and just you know them by heart and you didn't really try particularly to memorize them it's just by reciting them over and over have a son one morning you realize you know the whole thing the heck
whether it's japanese or not
so i would like everyone to have the opportunity to sort of
incorporate the precepts through memorizing them and and having a reside in your body so that you can use them it will you know the right there at at your
patrick figured it's ensure mine tips yes hundred copies
yes that's a good idea is simple
it
and i also thought we could recite maybe a couple people could be saved them at the beginning of class we have six classes and there's a lot of people
so let's see if two people did each class them with the room anyway huh
anyway let's maybe try it won't take relying on think by tom
to just recite them it doesn't take that long so maybe three people each class what would that what's the matter mad catering
that's it
how do we give it a factor
let's see how long it takes so long to you so who would like to volunteer to restate next week
that will only be fabulous
kevin
man you and hamilton and sydney okay so for we're going to try for next week so how will i remember this
when i do can tell me oh here is
wait
kevin
yeah
sydney and
the hamilton
okay
so what i wanted to do and don't make this can be eight when i was hoping it would do for this class
you
ah what i wanted to do with goes to the the history of the bodhisattva precepts how how they came down to us in the form that they're in and so you can get a kind of overview of the precepts that we have now the bodhisattva precepts
so

so that
in the buddhist time we actually predating the buddhist time
ah there was a ceremony
or i should say people know this from the body safa ceremony because our body self a ceremony is a what has in an abbreviated version is what's come down to us from this oldest of ceremonies that predates buddhism
where in india they were
religious people aesthetics wandering ascetics and various religious people who would
i'm the new moon and the full moon would gather together
they would have a solitary brexit but on the new and for moon they would gather together and
out of this practice they began
reciting because they had different teachings these different groups they weren't buddhist necessarily and they would talk about their teachings from their different teachers and then the laity
if you want to call lady but householders would come and want to hear what these teachings were that they would be reciting
so so this kind of tradition was in india and then when the buddha came
oh appeared in the world and head
the order of monks and nuns the ordained
practitioners they they also were solitary
except when they gathered together for the rainy season and they would come together also on the new and the full moon
and they began the practice and that the laity would come but they would just sit together quietly and laity wanted to hear teachings or wanted to hear something from the young the group st gather together and what evolved was they would recite
the
precepts the the precepts of the order of the monks and nuns and they would also at this time take the opportunity to confess in front of their fellow practitioners
if they felt they had not kept the precepts since the last time they had gotten together so that would have been it's the lunar calendar so it would be like two weeks you know that fallen into ruin like the first and fifteenth they get so in the lunar calendar so so it began to be a chance to recite the preset
apps and also to say
and ask for repentance or also other members of the order if they had noticed something or someone breaking the precepts
it would be a chance to bring that up as well
and all these precepts from the buddhist time that he didn't start out with an order that had a whole bunch of rules that you had to kind of agree to an order to come to be part of that group he ah
basically said you know come and or date people or them they wanted to join but there wasn't necessarily from the beginning
a lot of rules to start with but out of living together
through
their lives together something would happen and the
why someone would bring that to the buddhists and say so and so did thus and so and so on so feelings were hurt or this made someone very confused about what are teaching was or whatever and then the buddha would say well you know we do not do this you know and that would then become one of these rules and people would abide by if you're in order
and that grew and grew and grew to about
two hundred and fifty rules for the monks and more for the women for the nuns
and the young
the nuns also had a special rules which i think a lot of you
or many of you may know of that particularly looked at their relationship to the nuns relationships to the monks and
in order to be ordained as now they had to accept those eight so that was in place when the nuns nuns or was established
and what suzuki or she said about the fact that the women had more precepts
ah what he said was and is this isn't one of these some lectures that women's
scientists passiveness is letting you know he said women's bodies are more complicated and so they need more of these rules to
meet that and also he felt a men are more simple it's an interesting quote
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so i'm doing the full moon but these were recited and there was also
and as they got more complicated certain ones for major ones and others were minor minor in you know things were more serious than others and certain things if you did them you'd be expelled from the sanga or other singers some kind of repentance you could do so so they would present these
at and the laity would be present for this
so through the ages you know this came these so this is a
the early buddhist teachings and i just wanted to there's so confusing as there's to sutras that are called the brahma jealous which is this one is the buddha speaks the brahma net or the realm gel sutra and this is the all embracing net of views the brahma josue tennis commentary
is this this is my yana and this is terrifying this is from the pali canon and i actually didn't realize that they were two of these sutures
but in this one
which is i think it's in the that you know in in the pali canon nurse three baskets
pathak or peterka and is the suit typica ah
video or lavinia has all the rules
and the abbey dharma or be dharma could be three baskets and this is in the and think the
our the collection of suitors called the digha nikaya i think
believe that's where this is ready to beginning anyway it has this analysis of virtue and in it
ah the buddha there's these two people who are walking behind the buddha one person who's another kind of teacher and his student and one is not exactly disparaging the buddha put not praising the buddha and the other one is praising the buddhist so they have these two things and ah
so the buddha asks about
so he says
ah
if because that's the amongst others speak in displays of me or in displays of the dharma or in disgrace of the sanga you should not give way to resentment displeasure or animosity against them in your heart for if you were to become angry or upset in such a situation you would only be created and ops
article for yourselves if you were to become angry or upset when other speak in displays of us would you be able to recognize whether their statements are rightly or wrongly spoken certainly not learn if because others speak in displays of me or in disgrace as the dhamma or in disgrace as the saga you should unravel what
is false and pointed out as false sing for such and such a reason this is false this is untrue there is no such thing in us this is not found among us so
so that the buddhist basically saying if people the three treasures meaning the border the teacher or this other saga you don't get angry and don't get all
upset about this just point out what's falsely understood we don't do that here this is not part of there's no such thing and us this is now fat not found among us certain practices
and then he goes on to say that
you know people may see that there is
ah
problems with moral virtue and what should we look at so this is a very early this is kind of before our precepts
he's just having abandoned it starts out having abandoned the destruction of life the week reckless recluse
gautama abstains from the destruction of life he has laid aside the rod and the sword and dwells conscientious full of kindness compassionate for the welfare of all living beings it is in this way because that the world would speak when speaking in praise of the to togheter then it goes on the they would speak in praise about that
the that gautama has abandoned taking what is not given he's abandoned and chased living there would be misusing sexuality he's abandoned false speech that would be a
you don't lie of having abandoned slander and then if it's not exactly the exact same it goes on to her speech and idle chatter abstaining from idle chatter so there's several about right speech
or you might say the recluse gotama abstains from damaging seed and plant life
and he eats only in one part of the day refraining from food at night and so forth and then they then he lists some of these other things that which which did come down
through this other mahayana sutra the brahma java sutra so there is this the strong connection between the two but these are not bodhisattva precepts these are kind of pre mahayana and a bodhisattva ideal came up
like about
a thousand years
in your stuff
five hundred years with the pressure per meter and the body surf ideal
so this predates predates the body surf ideal so some of the other things that they bring up
our abstaining from dancing singing instrumental music and witnessing unsuitable shows abstaining from wearing garlands embellishing himself with sense see they had a prohibition against perfumes you can them
of or beautifying himself with annoyance these are all these things that people could say against
in displays of boom abstaining from high and luxurious beds and seats
abstaining from accepting gold and silver anyway these were all
do not talk about his precepts per se but as a virtuous activities and ah the laity or people could speak in displays of the bunks and are the buddha if they found them you know doing some of these things these are the things that they are supposed to abstain from
buying and selling running messages and errands
on bribery deception fraud accepting gold and silver
and so forth accepting uncooked grade raw meat male and female slaves goats and sheep foul and swine elephants cattle horses and mares you weren't allowed to accept these kinds of things if you are month because or a none because you are living
this simple life of the wanderer you were supposed to accept things that you could hoard and then used later like uncooked meat that you'd save and you can save it to tumor
so this is an early cut a version of some of these
oh and then it goes into like this you're finished it
because your accept this is the thing this is the main point is that the laity is totally supporting you there they didn't have conference centers and tassajara neck anything they begged for their food they receive gifts from the laity and that the laity would receive
ah marriage you know they understood it as mere they weren't going to lead the homeless life because it was very clear there was laity householder and there was monk nun there wasn't what will talk about soon which is more what we have now this kind of combination
so the laity would give gifts to the song of that medicine and robes and food
and then but they didn't believing or you know with the understanding that the monks and nuns live this very simple life i am were following the homeless life and didn't you know so
whereas some reclusive reclusive and an everyday how to pronounce them of khusus and brahmins while living on food offered by the faithful enjoy the use of high and luxurious beds and seat such as than they named them
and you can imagine these were all this might have been a problem that the reason it was name is because someone was using these kinds of things and it was felt like this is not we don't do this such and such does not happen here you know
so they were using high luxurious beds and ch such as spacious coaches thrones with animal figures carved and the supports long haired covets multicolored patchwork coverlets wait will uncover lutz is woven coverlet embroidered with flowers the
stuffed with cotton wool in coverlet embroidered with animal figures and it goes in will cover lives with hair at both sides and
how bedspreads embroidered with gems see you can imagine that there was you know the nobility and sofa or the the wealthy people who would want to bestow these beautiful items to the teachers you know in the people had been who they who were their spiritual teacher
years but you know to accept a coverlet embroidered with gems you know and then call yourself a home lever whose renounced you know the world it didn't quite match up
silk covers it's dance hall carpets an elephant horse or chariot rugs rugs of antelope skins choice spreads made of kundali deer heads spreads with red awnings overhead couches with red cushions from for the head and feet so wait is it really you know describe
fx's the reckless recluse who knows how to pronounce them include grounds either one for there's and i love by okay
that had been reckless
the father of that sounds right to be good to go to have a abstains from the use of such high and luxurious beds and seats
and it goes on oh rubbing standard powders into the body massage with oils bathing and perfumed water needing the limbs and sofa so you can imagine that you know you take these vows that then you know it's an you know how wonderful this get a massage with perfumed oil and stuff
but the recluse gotama abstains from the use of such devices for embellishment and beautification so anyway this was all
over the years and have laid out what is proper to this group this order of monks and nuns in what is not considered proper and this has been monastic we're talking about monastic rules even if the monasteries came later but
monastic mean monks and nuns
this is not necessarily saying that you know
using a white woman coverlet isn't okay but for the order of monks and nuns as any road rules for the lady will they could have
see those first five precepts
of killing and stealing and lying and misuse of sexuality and slander the lady would take later on they could take those
but
i think you know at that time the buddha was teaching and say these are my teachings you know and they were taking those on but i
and asking to be
you know i don't know if there was any formal kind of lay initiation at that time
it might have come later
so
so that's this early
rama jealous sutra
as soon as when think a serious are attacking in specific if people were to give donations to the monastery will give me just you said never give donations like food the annual a people couldn't take donations like that personal what know if you went around begging with your begging bowl which people did he would go round
the the monks and nuns didn't eat after twelve this was an indian it was hot and the they walked around and got their food and then they would eat before twelve and then they would do meditation and so forth for the rest of the day
and then later when they were more and more of them and they would gather together they would get a like in the rainy season they would get gifts of vegetarian feasts you know or food but yes they could get personally and there a lot of rules about we just did or aoki practice today you know you have brass ball and you were supposed to receive whatever
went into your bowl
whether you liked it or not and you weren't supposed to go to only certain houses know there are a lot of admonitions about that the good houses you know where the lady i was gives you a really nice putting yourself
if you had to go just you've decided where to go and then it was house after house after house you
so there was a lot of ammunition you you did receive in your bowl just for yourself as well at certain times and then there was the gathering together during the rainy season where they receive the that answer your question yes yeah
and there's that i don't know if it's apocryphal story or not think because in the suitors of the young
monk who are and one it takes
yeah
it's it's a teaching store where it the monk went and was given went to the next house and there was a leper in the house and he offered something in his thumb that other into the ball and that was the offering and it just so that you know that's that's what are these teaching stories that shows the
to what extreme you know this mind of renunciation can go you know you just so and this we carry with us to our formal practice of eating with or aoki whatever is offered by the kitchen you receive that with gratitude and
being aware of
you know our preferences do arise but to not you know fall into preferences you know you take some of everything you eat each thing with sincere mind that this sister food this is dharma that's coming to you you'd be supported to practice and and that food nourishes your
dharma
steady and years as in practice of that's the
bet that same spirit we have now with our aoki and i you know i would like to have that same spirit when we go through the buffet line you know
for other meals that are formal to feel you know the offering is just to receive the offering and mean often people receive the offering and then go get a peanut butter sandwich the side you know but you know we do several men are food you know more protein in end but at least for the formal meals to really pay
practice that way and watch what happens
in a weight and feel like i'm veering off into a or you'll be back
so let me see
ah
so the body bodhisattva ideal which came later
there's this sutra called the brahma jealous sutra the buddha speaks the brahma netsuite drop and the brahma promise like this guy you know
who's ill kind of a friend of the boot often the brahma will come and ask questions and you know anyway this brahma net is supposed to be picture as this huge net like leg
so who is your inconceivably huge was an all the holes in the net our world systems imagine a net where at every you know where where the holes are like a screen where the holes that those are complete world systems you know so it's just enormous this net it's the brahman net
sutra
ah
so can see so historically in india there was just there were these two hundred fifty or more
prouty moksha they're called precepts that upon or nation than later on you had to agree to to take on these rules that had been
kind of bomb built up over time you had and they were in place then you had to decide to receive those upon our nation so those two hundred and fifty plus where the monks and nuns are ordination precepts the via okay and that got passed through so
selfie station sri lanka and salon and and then with those went to china what happened in china but my yana had come up then and this brahma jealous to trim
is the it takes the body surfer as the ideal and the body search for takes a different set of precepts and there's ten major and forty eight minor precepts in the brahma jealous sutra and
we are bodhisattva precepts come from that lineage if you want to think of these is i mean the
the a lot of these are the same as this other brahma jolla from the the earlier thing but tom
there are two distinct ah
streams lineages you might say so
the bodhisattva initiation to be initiated as a bodhisattva not necessarily as a monk or nun became something that the laity could do as well as the priests it became something that laity could take and as we know our bodhisattva precepts the sixteen of them are taken by both priest and lay there
steps that are received
the priestly ordination has head shaving and receiving of balls and robe the okay sir
but the precepts are actually the exact same precepts body piece scotto both monks and lay
remember the younger stilted yeah so that's through japan so in china there is the a sink critic
thing that happened where they took both sets they took for two hundred and fifty
plus for the women and they took the fifty eight the ten major in the forty eight minor of the brahma jealous who just so they had two sets so in china they had the monks ordination full nation a monk or nun and the body surf initiation those two
it was this double thing that happened in china and still to this day and korea
japan it changed but i just want to say a little bit about this
well as see
partially the reason they added these voice of precepts
is that many of the precepts from india did not could not be kept in china because of the climate things about certain kinds of when it was much to call that you would you know people would be become so and certain number of rogues you could wear in various things like
that couldn't be
carried forth in these colder climate so
so they would take those veneer
as well as the body for there is these changes it was syncretic is that work syncretic
now this was passed this was what came to japan and in the temple in nara the vehicle school but somehow in japan it a term it didn't hold these these to the and the villa began to be dropped and the bodhisattva
a
initiation began to be more what actually doubt it's extent is the only be pretty much the only initiation that standards the bodhisattva precepts i just wanted to say historically how that happened
so this monastic ordination of the my yana was this double thing in china and this combination but i'm prince in japan prince show taku that's in five seventy four to six twenty two
he
i felt that the original spirit of these precepts was arms
noctis formal discipline but but a non-formal bodhisattva spirit and he wanted to get back to that
so he declared buddhism a state religion chicago
and he was a buddhist himself in one day he was lecturing on the
lion's roar of clinch from our are you familiar with this sutra the lions were a queen queen ramallah and in this queen ramallah is being the buddha is talking to queen tree ramallah about she is kind of predicting that she in a future time will be a buddha and
the various other things about the other people who will be with her and she
is so kind of filled with the dharma that she
take these vows queen ramallah kind of spontaneously takes while she kind of self vows you know she isn't
she takes ten great vows so i hope your phone is so prince show tackle this japanese man and five seventy two was lecturing on this sutra
to the empress suica about queen ramallah so i just wanted to say what queen three malas ten great vows were
it just kind of following how these vows kind of show up in different places and precepts
so after queen tree have you heard the prophecy about herself directly from the lord joined her hands and salutation made ten great vous one lord from now on until i attain enlightenment i hold to this brushed vow that i should not permit any thought of violating morality and then it's the same
aim can evolve refrain the same formula from now on until i and enlightenment i hold to the second ball that i should not allow any thought of disrespect toward the teachers that i should not allow any thought of anger and ill will toward section beings
number four i should not allow any thought of jealousy towards the glory of others and the perfection of others i think that was similar to praise himself at the expense of on
ah i will not allow any thought of covetousness no matter how meager that donated food
i will that i shall not accumulate wealth for my own use but shall deal with it to assist the poor friendless and so forth
so she kind of spontaneously her last one is i shall liberate beings from sufferings
the sentient beings were friendless trapped bound disease troubled and poor and miserable and shall not forsake them for a single moment it's a bodhisattva vow that she kind of comes up with
ah
so so she kind of
in this sutra does this and while talking about this to the empress the empress
i'm
became so moved by hairiness that she stood us and and kind of took vows you know this it was so moving to her that we should mala had done this that the empress kind of did this as well
so
there were there is this a kind of them self vowing
strand you know within the body surfer
initiation where you can on your own you know speak before the buddhas and bodhisattvas you know on your own just say i will i vow to do thus than so and it can it can be a kind of binding wow that you make not necessarily with the other order
nations you know you needed us a preceptor in a certain teacher and you needed all this stuff in place but in this way you can just from your own heart make these vows
and then if you do this sometimes there's auspicious signs like i think with queen tree mallow heavenly flowers came reading down you know and things like that
so there may be some auspicious sign that happens if you decide to do that on your own with your serious sincere intent
so of this and this suitors about third century this is the maha sangha because in about the third century and this was this sutra
that the main thing about the sutra was so important is it has the to tuck into garbage the your average is that each person has is has
the buddha nature or the womb of the tech hundred calories in you are you yourself are the womb
of to togheter garba
and the suitors that came out of this or the lack of a terrorist sutra and the awakening of faith in the mahayana which is very important in korean so that came out of this
so this kind of sell foreign nation
from queens ramallah kind of just sort of or dating herself with these as he would take this initiation
well the you mentioned to names which is one and with me and one china
the lack of a terror pool
the first time
even this one
this is the brahma jolla also to the two virgins and about the this was yeah well as called the buddha speaks the brahma net or the brava jalan and this is called the brown all embracing net of views so there's they're slightly different
but they both have a jolly and title
you have unearthed so interested in the boxes and their air to difference
two different suitors this is from the pali canon and this was a mahayana sutra
now two separate strands
the survivor that this were no actually bought at the bookstore about was really glad to sell it to be right up
okay
so let's see about my know if i can't see how to hold enough to feed
and we is everybody following us as is boring
together was a large branch lines were crunchy mama well because i thought it was very interesting that in this mahayana sutra here's this please remember who who can of spontaneously takes these thousand does this sell foreign nation kind of a self which is
this strand that comes up later the there's a description of how to do that for yourself if there's no other teacher around or a or witnesses you can on your own just in the presence that she had the buddha there and you can have called forth the presence of the put it in your mind and do it on your own you can do this kind of bowing
and have a be sincerely
responded to by the universe you know so it was kind of new to me that that but in my state so just financially but they will change represent gradually right
no no but it also shows kind of different forms that the precepts took you know
they they're not the there's ten but they're not the ten that we have now there and have a different set of ten
how are you doing here he gave a kick
so
alice don't i write these down
yeah
ah
so the difference between the mahayana and these other monks
vania those two strands are very different the bodhisattva and the vignette of more monastic and there's ten
our precepts for novice monks kind of the first ten that you take in the first five are the same it as killing stealing misuse sexuality lying and intoxicants those five yeah it's that standards and tech skins and then the second five for the novice monks
our
those those first five are pretty much universal to all the different
precepts sets those first five and then the second five
inlay initiates took those five the second five are very different and they are
now these are for novice
i'm nervous vinny a but there's ten so that's why i'm just distinguishing that there's ten but they're different ten so therefore their last five or don't wear flower garlands and rub fragrant
creeps on the body cannot sing or dance or play musical instruments or watch or listen to such events do not use high broader large beds do not eat an improper times do not hold gold silver valuable objects so these are all oriented towards monastic life
and the ten bodhisattva precepts
are intended they don't have a monastic kind of cash to them the last five for those or slander praising self possessiveness ill will perry ill will and abusing the three treasures so it doesn't have any monastic
ah you know like monastic house rules
so the body central precepts those ten and a novice monk ten are different although the first five of the same so they kind of come together so
so in japan they were they got those two strands but with after prince show a cuckoo they began to drop
the monastic site and that began to just kind of wither away now there is a teacher psycho or ganglia dacian he's from seven sixty four to eight twenty two and he really felt that this ordination with all those precepts the two hundred and fifty and the tim novice ones were very he felt they were
indiana rather than my yana and he basically did away from you did away with them he totally rejected it and the narrow school where they were ah were very upset and be really it was a big departure he'd like said no more kind of so and he felt a true my yacht a tradition was
this was the bodhisattva precepts and not these two hundred and fifty so he completely simplify the the relation to down can be sixteen that we have now
one of them out for all sex
pretty much all sex will actually since that time since psycho
he established
mount he ate a whole ordination platform on out here which did the body for initiation and it was kind of in
cut that conflict but competition maybe with naira and and but meanwhile mount a get stronger and stronger and they had in fact dogan and
shin round and all these different teachers were all ordained at mount here with these boys have for precepts and also there was to go into the monastery amount he ate there were these monastic house rules that were bit more than two hundred and fifty like we have here various guidelines for how you take care of you
self in a monastic situation so they actually received those as well but done like shin run
they were all reformers and he ten no precepts he said in this time
in this time of kind of decline of buddhism we can't keep these precepts anymore so there's only one precept witches to accept a meters you no mercy and be born in the western paradise so you just took like one which was just faith in a meta so he did away with all those and dogan had the sixty
bodhisattva precepts is soto school
and rinse i also
so let's see pure land
tradition shoe tree and i don't know about each man
but in japan right now these two hundred and fifty that that strand has is not functioning so to get that kind of full ordination if you wanted to be our date and that full old style you you can go to one places in china taiwan does them and i think they're trying to rios
established or nation platforms of that
kind in nam then perhaps is no nation
indonesia malaysia malaysia malaysia and for women it died away even in india you know the this full ordination of this old way although you can receive it in taiwan now and in relation to for women yeah and you know certain people have gone like pem children and i
don't know who else
thank you do you can have received yeah
so but it's not like them you can't it's not just the regular
easy to do things in japan at all even you have to go to these other places where their lineage has could unbroken from supposedly the buddhist time
so let's see
so what changed japan was that there was no hard and fast line between lay increased anymore
because one of the the most important thing that happened was
ah that is receiving the precepts was taken by both lay and priest and
no distinction me now in japan and also
for example in japan there was there's the tradition the lineages of the married priesthood now in the rest of the buddhist world a married priesthood is like a an oxymoron you knows it's there is to be ordained means celibacy and be
a monk or nun there's no such thing as a married monk
but in japan this she'd run i actually got married was married
and
so it's very that's the lineage that we inherited in at zen center and is a lot of the west
that includes this
possibility of a married priesthood ordination and
whereby you can marry it so
you probably heard this story but when there is a big gay ginia conference here you know about precepts this over at green gulch and there were many monks and nuns that came and and then our teachers norman and raven down and they realized that it's raw
really an anomaly is that the word itself very unusual they were they actually felt more lay and the norman said he felt like he was a lay practitioner rather than a priest in the in juxtaposition to people who are keeping these precepts
not eating after nude and the cell to see and so
so and suzuki where she said about the west even more so than in japan where you have this miracle you have people who are practicing like the monks and nuns do or the priest to in japan where people who sit thousand every day have a very full practice life live in practice center
this little practice centers for long periods of time but they're not priest or game you know and he didn't know what we were so we were not lay i mean because lay people in japan supported the temple came to memorial services did
you know
it it was more like going to church on sunday kind of feeling that some people did thousand but it was not a main and in the congregation to not all come to two thousand and a regular basis let alone sessions and all these different things so then it when he came to the west and hear all these people compare
killed you know am devoting their lives to but not our day you know so whatever what is it you know exactly so it's a mule
this is now even further a new
ah
it's it's the new buddhism you know how that we have here yesterday a question merely talking about monks and and spits in the santos in men or we have a priests going was yeah well see i would say that
that in wester in america media know what you're actually
men a women are both priests although some are living as nuns in some are living in its months meaning celebrate or
but in japan the nuns they are not they don't marry there aren't married women priests so there's a kind of double standard in japan
so i would yes excuse me for not actually when i see priest mary i a male priests marry in japan and women it's the same or nation but they
and they run their own temples in they're called priests but
they can be called priests or nuns but i think none denotes celibacy
yes joseph that's a completely new development in this countries for her married or female groups get is
it is and i think
if i remember when oxon suzuki roshi his wife after my husband is also a priest and when we had our first child she came over and saw this baby and she was just
my third priest other priests
that's machine i've really never seen such a thing obama he's so upset this beautiful little
this way to bond you know the andrew saw little tiny stitches a little tv way thing
if she just she said this baby or the she never misses her first child of two priests you don't she had never experienced such things so she was really bowled over by at chris for us it was you know there is cathy normative kids and leyland jam and and mean it wasn't that unusual in this saga anyway to have to
priests married with children news
indeed it happens you know
not
it's not that common but still it did happen it wasn't totally out and her
so yes it is it is a new development there's a hand appears
the another question the people who live at monsters are they are they saw that men women or on the but are like people who you consider honks are they solid you mean in japan they're like it fewer at a haiti monasteries and i if you're into training tomorrow on
i think so i think they probably are it's some men and women are separate pretty much there's the visitors who come a few in japanese gangsters it's pretty bit rate the twenty monasteries there's no yeah jim
yeah but they don't stay there for all that you know they go for one or two years maybe and then they often go to their family temple and then their temple priest you know when they marry and the their wife is this to the man the the marion and the wife is book you know the it's a it's a full job being the wife of a temple priests
you know this it's like being a parish priest you know that can think of those and nuns go have temples hereditary temples i imagine and can't get stainless stand the cabinet or not the chapel masters
well this woman who coming this coming week aoyama roshi had her own temple say i know there are some this sunday by the way we have
a woman oyama roshi has written a book that's translated into english and she'll be giving the talk on sunday so but it's few it's the much less than than the male female temples
so
but i think that is the practice
key
see
so in resized in the precepts are
the subject of the highest level of columns meditation practice the presets that this is from a quote from a zooming rushing the precepts as call on subjects are the for cut off later subjects that are taken up and the young

i wanted to read what dog and says about
receiving the precepts and there are a few festivals that he has one called uk receiving the precepts
and and then in this festival called
the meaning of practice enlightenment
sure sure give
he talks about a the precepts
and repentance an ordination and so forth so i wanted to read
well maybe i should say this fruit
what we will be steadiness that
the young the way dogan talks about the precepts in the way to secure she talks about the precepts is that
the zaza mind and precepts are synonymous and is so you know we may have the idea that the precepts are these lists of these rules and things that we have to not do in order to be
you know considered part of a grouper so on and so forth but the the bodhisattva precepts are understood from
i'm from lough dogan in and our lineage as zazen mine or
zazen minds and precepts
cannot be really distinguished
so this is another way to think about this kind of inconceivable way you might say
and
so i remember recently you know reb took up the pieces are actually don't know how long so this was for five years ago maybe he started lecturing about on them and talking until sahara and wonderful things he said which caused a big uproar as i was there for the aftermath of the emperor or maybe some period they use this of like you can't sit zazen unless you
receive the precepts katie where you at her
and course people have been cities us in
quite nicely without
a never been one person in particular was like really like what do you mean and who are you to say that i can't say i mean it was
it got to be kind of issue a big issue and i think
it was not it was pointing to something saying that
and i think i could go she says it to that to sit zazen without also receiving the piece of says just like a hobby it's it's more like gum
you know improve yourself and that can think thing but he he also talks about equating receiving the presets with the actual the actual thousand nine so so we'll look at this because it's it's not necessarily self evident
you know when you read the lists of he things
so i wonder what dogan said about it and then i just don't maybe somebody might wonder to be saved the precepts
who's ready tonight i just start mental protection
so
so this is still again
the various buddha's have all received and observe the three refuges the three pure precepts and the ten great prohibitions that's the sixteen three three and ten
by receiving these precepts one realizes the supreme body wisdom the adamantine indestructible enlightenment of the various buddhist in the three stages of time
is there any wise person who would not gladly seek the school
the bugger that that's the buddha has clearly shown to all sentient beings that when they received the buddhist precepts they enter into the realm of the various buddha's truly becoming their children and realizing the same great enlightenment
all the buddhas dwell in this realm perceiving everything clearly without leaving any traces when ordinary beings make this their dwelling place they no longer distinguish between subject and object at that time everything in the universe where the earth grass tree fence to
functions as a manifestation of enlightenment and those who received the effects of this manifestation realize enlightenment without being aware of it this is the merit of non doing a non striving awakening to the body mind
so while
so this equating
you know receiving the precepts with
you know truly becoming good as child and
by receiving these precepts when realizes the supreme body body mean some awaken
a body wisdom the at a man team and amount at davin advantage
indestructible enlightenment of the various buddhas in the three stages of time that's past present future so by receiving the precept siri you we realize this
without being aware of it enough
ah
so the importance of the precepts
i'm you know when i say introduction i feel like the precepts are deep and wide and
ever rotten
you know like a source or fountain of
inspiration and down
so are i hope our steady
ah
the kindle's this spirit in all of us i know that many of you are have
as to receive the precepts and or or have already received precepts
and are actively studying them on your own and taking them up
and it also began sewing your own rock selena to this baby row so
i would really hope and i did a lot of talking tonight that those of you who are
i would hope that all of us would become really the actively engaged in in taking these up and is especially those of you who've already decided to receive the precepts
to be actively engaged in learning them turning them over see it as soon as you i was talking about this was somebody as soon as you take went up there are all connected and as soon as you just to say well take up one you know i'm really look at it they all come up with it and and you know shed light on
various activities from various points of view so i'd like to encourage us all to take them up as a and i know some of you have and see what happens i choose one and
i can read what is there anyone you brick wanted to have a of them but i can just say them or we can all say that those of you know them and you could write them down and do not recommend we don't ask a xerox pages
so
the yummy
most people were just program and we're going to you care careless on he was young
so those of you who've gotten the guestroom material id written here
in the practice green or a pamphlet so your hands handsome
yeah so the first
better called the three precepts
but we also call them the refuges which were going to do today after question so ah
i see
if you were to be saved them you would say i take refuge in buddha i take refuge of gamma i take refuge in sanga and then ah
you know in a ceremony those are repeated three times for you know girl
entry
but in terms of sixteen you don't that's not like nine your this just grab huge and the three treasures so that's the first three and then the next are the three pure precepts and those has been translated in various ways and we can look at give a translations but the way i'm saved them now
i vowed to embrace and sustain rate conduct
i vowed to embrace and sustain our good
i vowed to embrace and sustain all beans
and
what what those are the pure ones and we'll talk about other translations and where those came from and then the ten prohibitory or grave heavy sentence com
the word translates graves and prohibitory are a disabled the buddha does not kill
this sample it does not steal
cycle of the booty does not misuse sexuality
a disciple of the buddha does now why
the central of the it does not intoxicated mind or body of self or others
disciple the boot it does that slander
disabled to just got praise self at the expense of others
the second the buddha is not possessive of anything
the sample of dilute it does not however ill will
a disciple of the buddha is not abuse the three treasures

some other the sixteen
is there anyone who have to be cycles us tonight

what we can start next week with the for thank you
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you can meat
i take refuge in buddha let me just mentioned so we just for everybody you don't have to change you can just stand if you don't want to for those of you who are thinking about doing this
yes that three
i heard
i take refuge in diameter
i take refuge in sangha
i vow to do no evil
i vow to do all good
i vow to stay well beings
a disciple food as
does not too
a disciple of buddha does not steal
a disciple does not lie
a disciple of buddha does not misuse sexuality
a disciple of buddha does not intoxicated the mind or body of several years
a disciple
the
i don't think about other people dog lovers hubris kicker
a disciple of buddha is not possessive or avaricious
the shower them with avaricious for national heroes come tobacco and critique so
on
a disciple of buddha does not slander
last month i'm not sure area
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one any hints
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you have out one of the speech french
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praise help at the restaurant at the expense of others
and
check three treasures

okay because a standard car have you ever a you payments
okay and let's do the closing chance and dedicate the narratives are
time together