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say how are they egg
i take refuge in buddha
i take refuge in dharma
i take refuge in saga
hi to embrace and sustain right conduct i vow to be based them sustain all good
i vow to embrace and sustain our beings
the disciple of buddha does not kill
the sahel will really does not take what does not given
skyfall the does not intoxicated the body of mine of
does not indicate body or mind itself or others
a disciple of and there's not misuse sexuality
and the cycle and buddha does not harbor ill will
the cycle of buddha
does not slander
but a cipher buddha does not produce off the expensive others a disciple of buddha

it's not abuse the three treasures
had a cycle of the does not
praise software to expensive others
the cycle good it does not harm or ill will
the again i think i'm just have to sell high and is that possession of anything all the selecting two hundred just see list in the cycle that does not lie in the cycle of good it's not possessive with anything

because as if anything will be the same claim to anything even the garment yeah
like when we okay
thank you are
so next week
cover an area and polish here hopefully and is there anyone else would like to say experts suzanne
gap
okay maybe that therapy be but i think it's good to have couple extra case people aren't here

so last week we talked about taking refuge in the three treasures
and
after i left class i i realized that there is
something a point and i just one can be sure mate but i just wanted to hear if there's any questions everybody had about last week or thoughts i came up around taking refuge that you want to
that we can talk about before we move to the pure three pure s
do you think is harmful to us now
ah take about half more understanding of near vow
house and i don't think is helpful
in fact him
ah i was just reading case you hershey today
if it's on the region this way the way i've got more meaningless if anybody hasn't gotten reading this
let's see
it was returning to silence
let's see what i it say
you ever actually turning to silence he has a business just tell a section on the triple treasure and three
your precepts
this else
anybody else
and acts is me suzanne
i'm just put these are here for people
anyway he and if you are she to basically says some even if you don't understand these
he received them you know even before you fully understand you should take them receive them
so i don't think it's an awesome because they're actually on their inconceivable and in some way you can't ever really fully
plumb the depths of
taking refuge for had a precepts so so if you wait until that time you know you you'll never do it so the feeling is to just plunge in with wholesome mind just just like you said then why is there are sort of waiting period before taking a the says yeah
it isn't
well that's good question because i know there's a
there are in various groups you walk in and beef and there's an initiation very soon in in some lineages where you received precepts right away or doesn't take
there isn't any kind of winfrey and i think part of
the understanding here would be
ah that it's a mutual event between the preceptor and the person and include included is
receiving the name and the ceremony seems to be more meaningful for people
the longer thief
the more they know the person who's giving them the precepts for one is makes it more meaningful and the more they've
ah wrestled babies in the words but tom
turned precepts and reflected on them and talked about them in so that someone makes the ceremony more meaningful as well so
i think those are some of the reasons why it's evolved that way here
that that it's some it's a form uniform beneficial for the person
but on the other hand
you know
ah
i think one has to be careful about never you know that
there be set up that cup some kind of a feeling that someone might be refused to precepts or something like that i i don't think it's that as much as
creating a field that most out
medieval
i'm may maybe other people have a sense just from their own waiting periods or their own
about it but is why i understand that experience now as i'm so ross said that has a stitch which place from where i'm doing it whether i'm in the sun class today areas at a fifty bright and by jury duty rating and evans airy experiences every price that have to
at mcdonalds and the side it's helping me to look at my own situation look at these things as i think about what it is that i am i'm looking forward to and ceremony on my life more never so i guess i'd focus in a different way than i'm sitting on a law meditating so you can gives me another opportune
they didn't look at what it is that that i'm saying that committing to
you know because we do so own robes and also go get you know i am
gauguin right at the end of his like sowed a role for h o his disciple euro
a hand sewed
in case i think for a ages so this
the edges of sewing a ropes which will sound
passed out was also you know gives a kind of waiting period as well through that so impressed
but come
it's just in thinking i live at more jeanette i think it also gives a person a chance to clarify their own intentions
if there's a kind of waiting time
it's not infrequent that people will talk about
being drawn to getting iraq suit to wear rock not even knowing what like i told you my story you know i want one of those whatever it is
dr then there's a story about avon ran wearing one of these
after a particular ordination knew it was suggested that people wear them all the time you know whatever you're doing she was it may cease and someone said hey that's pretty cute doesn't have pockets and does that
fashion statement so
tasha but it's just so this waiting time it just allows daschle to see what it is between
back to the three refugees and i i have a suggestion if anyone is looking for a good essay i've been reading through your insurance the wisdom of no escape nurse are really wonderful essay in they're called i think just the refuges yeah
which was really helpful in clarifying for me
i don't think as interim i think it came out after this was put together so that we should have an updated
actually wherever i'm looking in the lama surya das as booker's still from you can find i think we need to have a new kind of gleaning of all the different things about precepts
current been a coup cent or
yes that's right
and there's a particular rain xerox something for me on his rendition of the precepts in the environment or as precepts of the environment
well the boy did i had wanted to make last week in particular that i realized i hadn't emphasized was
ah
and it was so fresh i do a scribbled down as soon as i get back up to my house and so it doesn't feel as burning an issue as it was last week but basically
when i wrote when i scribbled down was bringing that understanding into everyday life so when i felt didn't get conveyed or emphasized enough was that
but what we talked about the indivisible three treasures you know the am the one precept of emptiness
and then the manifest three treasures are you know the person who realizes that
and the maintaining
the part that about bringing that understanding into everyday life so and it the a phrase that occurred to me was
there's no place to spit it comes from a call and i think
but basically the ideas to think that there's some place you know that you can
using spit in terms of you know like or that place doesn't matter that there's no place to spit so like it when we are talking about you can't pick up a stone you know to think that you're picking up a stone separate from and where are you you put yourself outside in that same way whatever it is that you do is
is this
ah
manifestation of your understanding of emptiness or of the one precept and so this emphasis in our lineage your particular about
carefully doing things and attention to detail and like not movie years now the come with your foot you know not kicking yourself through into place kicking years over hang around with your foot the
am
the emphasis on doing everything with the mine that understands that this is the entire universe know you're straightening your louboutin and it's the entire universe so you you put your total heart mind attention into each action so there's no place where you can kind of
the is bit you know there's no place that's not that way where can you find such a place so
so the precepts and everyday life and zazen mind is all one thing and you express this through this careful attention to detail attention to your
to everything you do
and the same emphasis like certain things don't get extra extra and other things don't get any you so so in dog and like in the tens kill kilkenny minute
instructions to the head coach you know tux when handling the rice the water as if it were your own eyes not your own eye sight but ever your own eyes with with that much care you handle the food and the right of the water and awe
all the six of your life and it's not just being goody goody two shoes you know which somebody called me
it has to do with your understanding that this race is it's it's when you really understand that it race as itself is not race therefore for we call it race so you handle it with that
so i just wanted to emphasize
and this is a quarter of suzuki roshi the purpose of precepts is not just to remember what you should or shouldn't do the way we observed precepts is by practicing zen or by extending our practice to our daily life so this emphasis and where did this marriage of preset
ips and everyday activity that separate
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so
that was one point i just want to be sure
sarah and
well
you know there's so much more to be said about the refuges the practice of taking refuge in but i would like to move to the three pure precepts
knows
there's no way here
so so the three pure precepts there's lots of different translations of them and we heard two different translations tonight
so i i wanted to have
just jam and i want to hear from you how you relate to these i just wanted to say some of the different translations when i first came presents under the translation was i vowed to refrain from all action that creates attachment i vow to live in enlightenment i vow to live for the benefit of all beings
that
and also in the meal chant
where it is the first portion is the first portion is to ward all evil how we say that now the second is to do a good thirty to save all beings that used to be in the wheelchair the first portion is for the
the first portion is for the precepts the second is for the practice of samadhi the third is to save all these and that got me translated
ah so
the netherlands i vow to refrain from all evil i vowed to make every effort to live in enlightenment about to live and be lived for the benefit of all being beings
so
and i vowed to embrace and sustain right action and are embrace and sustain all good i vow to embrace sustainable views so those are all different ways of
i translated this and there's an even earlier version out of which those all com which is in the dhamma patasse you off any with the gamma potter is
a real classic that's been translated many times this is a really yellowed copy i i found this number in here
this january first nineteen eighty dear sounds and students we used to have them
all the students that were students at the abbot there were so many students that certain students had to be
delineated as once they could have doak son and the rest you then you had to have to request to be a sons and student and then you are a dachshund student
and if you didn't you could come to lectures and do certain things but you didn't have jokes because there's so many students oh dear sounds had student recently i've been enjoying reading and steady madame of potter particularly the feeling of this translation and it's interesting introduction for new years i want to get each of your copy so that you couldn't enjoy this essential teaching sincerely zen tattoo
at some zen cuts a baker so the ferry had well remedy
taylor and hassan even the jammer powder
the earliest translation of the same three precepts and this is
early wisdom school always to school rather than new wisdom or my yeah so in the chapter called the buddha
ah it's basically saying by what earthly path could you entice the buddha who enjoying all can wander through the pathless ways of the infinite the buddha who is awake whose victory cannot be turned into two feet and whom no one can conquer so how can you taste the buddha to come because the awake
and one can basically
wander and do whatever
so how you the a rare event is the rising of a buddha and then it says do not what is evil do what is good keep your mind pure this is the teaching of buddha so that that's the earliest kind of rendition of these three pure
precepts is
do not what is evil do what is going to keep the my pure and then in the my yana when when the emphasis are the ideal practitioner that the shift of the bodhisattva vow came into play then it shifted to and save the many beings are
you don't live for the benefit of our beings
so those are the three pure precepts and
wow
i'd like to hear from
you just how
if the same way that we did last time just
hearing how people relate to that are practice with those or have difficulties with the wording or you don't just
history or purchase of revelations march on on reception whole role of revelations about
the vocal observances of her well thank you i forgot to say that yeah yes i'm the first precept of avoiding evil or
right conduct can also be translated translated as a
to uphold the rules and regulations and or the ceremonies and rituals and ceremonies and rituals
so and those are equated with ah you know right conduct or not or a wholesome activity
if you it's interesting to think if you just do
it's completely do the schedule and do that do these things they're being asked to view to do in the monastery that is in in in effect avoiding evil or ah
not creating attachment you know
it is a passion and considered
oh well when you say attachment what do you mean or what can you say attached with it for when we say a passion
is it any veteran
if say friend like you know that attach
at one hundred
when one is every attachment
that
we often you know
what the classic when it comes up as well i'm very attached to my children right or something like that gap
the constant battle
i guess her go attachment
i agree let's reform hate having die because they want kings to yesterday
that way asked
family
yeah

well
we don't like to hear that all clinging is
all clinging of previous based on ignorance ignorance of a separate self so when you when you believe in the separate self then you want to get things for it or keep things away from matter so now so all the clinging and attachment
when you said sir
it keeps us separate and and perpetuates this this delusion basically but i think within that you know you can have an attachment to
chocolate sundays or something and you can have attachment to
you know beating people up or i mean you can there's i think a range of our attachments and you could also
but i think the to actually be aware that i am clinging to these things there is clinging here in an often with children this came up in numb
in the workshop recently that town i i was co-leading and the question came up about attached to their children this person was very attached to the chung would do anything prediction and so they didn't want to give up an attachment and total mr and vm
and susan was there to and my taken that was that she was talking about love she was she loved her children but attachment is is kind of extra it's just all you need us all you need so after your task
parents extra and won't get ill to the worm smothering and clinging and not allowing them to grow in so how can you love someone without attachment so
yeah
the is that feel right
lol that's that's the effort
ah
that same zero
so ever at every attachment if he felt like that
business it's not
a thatched one not
home
yes
well we crystal we have a lot of trouble is the word evil which is why i think in the early days and we could get away with sane evil you know in the sixties so it was i to refrain from all x net creates attachment was a way of kind of
getting around it without actually saying you know refraining from evil what is evil and you know we brought the word baggy and partially two d vested divested of its
you know
what it's what charge charge and what connotations and yet to just get it out there what is evil here when we're talking about evil so
the in the meal chant roots at the first portion is for the precepts
what is actually the first portion is devoid alila the first bite of your food is dedicated to we said the process because the precepts are all geared towards
wholesomeness him
and basically not more than wholesomeness understanding the one precept of emptiness is what the pieces are geared toward so so we said precepts you know which also kind was fudging so now it's kind of out there more in refraining from evil but still i think
probably allow you get them
the jitters when you hear it i'm i'm getting a little nerd myself but
yes can you say that again
translation the
the the one that we used to have yeah i vowed to refrain from all action that creates attachment
there's lots of hands up here that see there is mimi nor stretching other oh
a game of scheduling
do it
you know anything about the origins of the word evil
that would maybe help clarify on a more historical meaning that cream maybe take away some of the patriarchal judeo christian for telling brimstone
wanna have it i really should know but i don't right now it's it's some but maybe somebody else was a sanskrit is yes
no good
okay
if i'm a like went online and mine from
just for that sentence wants about he was the stone that last year
as i know that it can you know lender that which is a about it had been to hit at that time illegal and so unmindful unskillful
unwholesome meaning tending towards not a whole
action to see there are some other hand there was area and nora and kevin go area
i have aware of vivo i think and
oh i see that i'm not even inclusive of all things like you're insane there's nowhere to spit but there is no evil know how can they be a people of the air flights women both
when for here
let's let's hold that in the air for well okay
no my question now for a drink that contains with suzanne
i was once say more an to void
it seems like
if you're having about presets and become and mind seeing her earlier and that this morning's more night
the precepts would be or injustice a wedding or the more like to me as
that you have to watch yourself

if i'm around the same lines i think i'm refraining from some is very murder and embracing sustained
embracing on sustaining sounds wonderful
proactive palms volition
more good
two stepping backwards
that
embracing sounds great
concept
the
oh yes can
i originally month and man
come on the recipient
ah i remember hearing somewhere on kashmir is like ah
when you
taxes
educational than the fox and have remarked you're just having the third box
identifying your children as this something
someone how
so can you say like
i love my child
my child is this and mister mister christmas and that's right i got these things
a child not those things
don't let your child not it's not have like just your to those other parts of
is your own stuff
where
like love in another zone majors like a beautiful thing but the second you try and identify
it specifically
thank you can get lost in that
becoming
well i think your accurate i think
there's often situations where it's conditioned love you know you love them as long as they're doing what you want to do or not dumb
getting in trouble or editor so and that's the kind of attached your attention than being a certain way when they're not the nurse so
so yes i think
you know what is unconditional love and what is love this based on and all these conditions and
and devotion is the same way you know to be thoroughly devoted to somebody or
are just the way they are and what does that mean what comes out of that or
you're devoted to them if they're doing what you want them to do or look like her all the rest of it
so that's where cash for kids
see this other hand david and then
think about like this word he on
aerials and the idea of nowhere is it good
the
i think the way that the precepts are gets around that been maybe not begin to not problematic is that
it doesn't not saying go and tell others that what they're doing it as equal as more
this whole turning white inward and seeing what appears you go in one's own actions
what if that way so then said the
let's announce me and it isn't that removes like a judgment repair the eagles will look like this kind of to so the recording presets are just it just feels that way so i'm not going to do it in
minutes
better
it's not it's not a judgment it's just a guy
i'm not sure i understood everything you said better it is it's unlike
but not doing evil is not a judgment on other people in there actually some personal thing and you know when you've crossed that line because you actually feel it in your body you said you feel yucky you actually you know it and nobody can necessarily right
tell you one of the and a you know so in that way you actually
like what character state is it that way your race and sustain your a conduct it's not like you're going oh god doing this is like the worst thing it's just like i feel
a house and keep doing this and i knew you wouldn't leave
yeah and impeding whatever is hers the wider picture knows perhaps you set an example of beans the you're lucky person
kay thank you
jeff
i'm coming on the heels of avoiding oh you are bracing right conduct i have no trouble going on to
the idea of doing all good
and wasn't getting your very good feel for that you set on the earlier translations for swimming and enlightenment issue
and when you started
sort of start thinking about living in her harmony with the natural order
but i was wondering
how you understood to all good
i mean after on
racing right
oh
i just wanted to say
it just want to read this after the pure biceps or off
read then there's a little commentary here so the first one is ivas to refrain from all evil or refrain from all action that created or whatever and the commentary is it is the abode of the law of all buddhists is the source of the law of all buddhas
and then the one about doing all good are living in enlightenment it is the teaching of a new some samyang somebody and that's the of most right and perfect enlightenment a new terrorist some yeah somebody
the utmost rate of perfect enlightenment and the path of the one who practices and that which is practiced that's the commentary on doing all good
it's it's the teaching of the utmost right and perfect enlightenment and it's the path the steps that the person who practices that takes
and that which is practiced and what it is that they do
with this mind of and excelled
enlightenment or bodhi are awakening that's good
that's what good is but if it's different from good and bad you know
i think that's one of the things about the pure precepts is that it's a non dualistic when we say purists even the word pure immediately sets a pure and impure in to filed but pure in this case is pointing to
a thorough or like pure gold which i talked about in a never lecture only sitting lecture
thorough role
unadulterated you know unmixed unmixed with anything else
that kind of pure is what retired from out over time up pure precepts rather than
you know these are this is pure and then another way to peace is defiled
so
so when we say good
it's not in terms of good and bad it's kind of the ultimate good which comes out of the awakened mind that's the valve and you're taking these are pure precepts but
you know receiving these precepts are taking these precepts
is like a vow you don't well it's actually we call them pure but we say i vow
so it's
it's a vow that we take internally internally and externally
and we may not know this is goes back to jeanette question we may not know how to do good in what is good in this under dualistic way or or what is avoid evil or what did they actually talking about so as it's a vow to actually it's one more way vowing to realize you're you're enlightened nature because that's
these precepts come out of the enlightened mind or this bug goes out of an enlightened understanding
an ad in the ordination you know you're asked to when you receive these then after you receive them that it says so even after you have attain buddhahood will you still maintain and uphold these precepts and you say yes i will this is not you know
this is not just for kind of for a time until you've had some
some awakening that you can do what you want this is this is what the enlightened ones as what they do you know so you practice this even after you've attained enlightenment that stuff about
ah the t
oh
the brick and then laura than rain have an earache distinct subset protected under way
no rain
the spirit of control
translation
what a the
you say i okay
what you can
results
one hundred french of
cause the screen whatever
the an alert seven don't ruin
group want to
passionate
and one an evil awesome seems to the person
in patient on
was waiting
turn away from

where she was reaching out to the first time
and on
that socialism
so we're bound to worry
i am i also have difficulty with the word avoid since we so in so many cases in august all other cases we say don't avoid you know don't run away from anything to not run away from anything
pain or your own marshall states are in in stay there so in this some in one of those translations that's what area so i my preference i actually like to embrace and sustain
right conduct ashley i'm
as the latest one that's the one that i'm most comfortable with because i think the avoid i don't think they're actually saying run away from you know but in in what area brought up about is there any evil i think there's also a great danger in thinking that there isn't anything evil meaning
ah harmful unwholesome
that causes suffering you know and to think that there isn't such a thing
ah
in the young in the minds of the awakened one you know there is no coming or going no increased or decreased no good or bad and you can say that you know but before that time you know if we

a grave
kenneth
mistake about karma and karmic consequences and
living in sarah
so
so in ultimately speaking you know we can say
you know there's no good or bad non dualistic but before that time if you think to realistically about everything else like self see the thing about
the enlightened mind is is they don't do evil meaning they don't harm others or because there is no other there so to actually think that you could have somebody else to believe that there is evil that could be done or no evil that could be done
is is those are the two extremes so it's some
i don't know if i'm being clear enough about this point but i feel pretty strongly about it
ah
so anyway and maybe other people have something more to see about that but let me just leave that where it is and go on to 'em can read my way
laura
the alarm went off
far as i find the schedule your palm
when
but when schedules are created by
what i do remember that schedulers you're following
directions using products and can
i remember them
what sandwiches that about the thoroughness of on a me off
right here
arrow ha ha you may be my following the schedule will automatically our precepts
cause we're referencing like all the time and when a plan for that
everyone would you
ah yes
if you're going through the motions you know if the scheduling and it
and that's throwing yourself into it you know fully with full intention to one
wake up at every moment with whatever you're doing you know the the young the rituals and ceremonies and rituals
of then you know are all tools to help you to wake up so
i think that's more what i meant you know and within that of course some we grumble and griping
and all that and you know i don't notice i wouldn't necessarily say even grumbling and great biggest fault is not fine precepts if you know your grumbling and griping and renounced grumbling and great being or vow to or rededicate yourself to you know who i who is to say you know exam
actually what precepts you're breaking are not breaking if you're very clear and not lying to yourself about you hate this you know is that is there any precept is being broken i know so i don't think we want to fall in a hoop
the tissues thing which is very easy to fall into especially around doing
during the schedule and all the forms you know
why did that person's eyes i'm out
he's sometimes as i wonder off i am using my time has someone else was talking to you might have five in a regular obvious with out there that would be authentic of my time off himself hung out at the world should be well time
to fight against or do something
the
but your own schedule look somebody else's made climate
yes that was like my the concern yeah well
you know having doubts about
what you've got yourself into you know or what time is this the best use of my time and energy having a doubt about that while you're throwing yourself into it is not unproductive her or is not undermining in any way corrosive doubt in others down and is corrosive go
out that eats away at your you know where you end up st for you just give it all up even though you've made a strong and chip made a commitment and you just kind of he eats away at it just your own resolve in so i think there's two kinds of doubt there but to have some doubts about
you know
is this the best use of my time am i thirty what am i am i waking up on every moment here it is this the most beneficial situation for me at this time those are all questions that
arise it should be looked at and but jam
and yeah who's
you know throwing yourself the interests like throwing yourself into the precepts you know plunging into the bow or plunging into this you know washing the windows for the ninetieth time or or whatever what can you find out about
you know your own energy your own attachments your own sense of self and resentments and i mean this a man and they're not treating me right and all this stuff so so self centered and selfish this is that being brought into strong relief you know right in the middle of the prank experience yeah
you shall years you know
so
so seeing all that and letting go of clinging to self him so that to me as all embracing and sustaining you know read contact but it's not always see there's a kind of them
you know
ah
it hurts you know there's some pain involved in especially looking at our own cleaning in our own
you know
difficulties and habits and all this there's some pain they're bitter this the the precepts have a kind of bitter pill quality sometimes yeah
read
a very large piece of resistance negative way to like in the pharaonic tradition the present on the grounds are not kill and the boys or girls or free cell phones that broken on actually encourage life
actually practice getting you
beneficial sexuality or on an line and by sort of herpes precept i assumed office like like from it
and you weren't leave would actually practice on good and now the way it seems to understand
our library for prefer to avoid illegal and just make like it like a shift from neighbors instead of also said
i'm wondering how
how that works since you let your pregnancy sex
the oil on
yeah have said
oh
let me see vendors to victories in so the caravan precepts url in the negative without any kind of positive how you practice with them serve and you're saying that's why you like these precepts
the itself as precepts but the pure precepts are in that kind of negative and they eat least the volatile oil the first one avoid all evil is putting that negative way and you're asking serve how come or yeah i was actually not transfer actually a good translation yeah the precepts
do not what is evil
do what is good
and also what is the second one i the install
directly
the free
the doing all good i mean that i'm asking them about the
yeah well i think the thing about somebody who said somebody was equated with kind of all good you know it a kind of interpretive i don't that's not the real translation the real translation is closer to what is now but
because of this difficulty i think really in the sixties and seventies with good and evil and good bet it was just skirted so
you know do the precepts and do somebody
or refrain from attachments and living enlightenment it was but it wasn't an actual translation as much as interpreting it in some way that was more power we have hell yeah but what propelled about how it felt of yeah
so i think the closer transaction is
i'm embracing sustain
the right contact all good and all being stood that
certain things are actually addressing that providence those dates like with regards to your relationship or other be so first to all able to avoid harming the second one your heard his prayer problems and i'm like reduce the for the or
i know europe's i am still having problems namely there's this harmless from fist on or what's available for yeah well they're all
i i find that they're all just like the three refuges are kind of one thing and you look at it from different ways the three core precepts are also
kind of hard to divide up but we do it anyway now in the
platform sutra and also dogan talks about the pure precepts
as being on
oh are we to the annual heart of the three bodies of buddha the with this the dharma cayenne and the some book a cayenne the new hire these three pure precepts are acquainted with
becoming the body of buddha
that's that's one of the things that
so when the platform sutra this is a sutra that
and where there's a lot of
talk about emulates is this isn't a m this is an apocryphal kind of a sutra but any rate of the six ancestor and he talks about you is so it's given on a platform and ordination platform and he's talking about good friends you must all with your own bodies receive the precepts of for
formlessness
that's these pure ones and recited units in what i'm about to say it will make you see the three body of the buddha in your own selves
i take refuge in the pure dharma k buddha in my own physical body i take refuge in the ten thousand and one hundred billion near monaco buddhists in my own physical body and take refuge in the future perfect some okay food in my own physical body and these are equated with the three pure present so the avoiding all evil is is put today
gather with damn ukiah and the dharma as the law you know or the truth the truth as the way things are as such this
ah so avoiding all evil or racing and sustaining great kind of has to do a damn ah kiah in this profound understanding of the truth and then the young
the doing all good is some of buddhism okay is the bliss body or the the body of town
it's kind of the happiness body actually of practice is called some of the cable so doing all good
it is equated with happiness really and then the i'm saving all beings the near monaco booty is the manifestation of the transformation body or the body that appears in all different times in different ancestors and teachers this is near my neck i booted all these different situations
ha
and transformation by to which helps all the beings all all over so so it's three bodies of the buddha and these three pure pieces but it's one awakened one with these three aspects so i think you're right there they all reflect on each other and uphold each other and aluminate each other
this the platform sutra of the sixth patriarch or ancestor socan polski this is from it's an old book
sixty seven capri at sixty seven
looking or of epic excuse for unfinished business
the hard drive done with her return
guess you i'm sure i'm shot ends of the down the navy is an invaluable or maybe i didn't understand what you're trying to pin down i'll just justified
common interpretation of and like out might be more about
dissertation
but as a practical and surgeon is trying to find crap on verification or even if i think that's it for were only local geography teacher they found anything
and okay what we start getting gift
thinking like this
cool a know one
all these hands keep going on
happened and that's the
let's see
it you know the the burden is roshi probably have heard that story about i'll just tell it there was a roshi who
stayed up in a tree and decided he wasn't gonna come down and it became kind of famous would be up there in this some famous gov which it might have also been sued to impose the
chinese poet went to up that he was also serving in a governmental position went to the foot of the tree and called up to burgess rocio said
looks pretty dangerous up there and the roshi called down looks pretty dangerous down there and and then he said what is your teaching and he said avoid all evil do all good and save the many beings and the governor said well any child of three knows that and he said
yes any child of three knows that but a man of eighty cannot practicing
so
i don't know if that speaks to what you're saying but it's it's kind of simple you know it's like the half
if you don't
do mean things you do good thing i and you help everybody you know
but it's very hard to do you know entrusted to the him
was an airplane with days
we can i think whatever just like david was saying i think you know you know you that's the thing about the precepts being in your own body somebody tells you from outside don't do such a search
but you know that's the right thing to do you know is not evil you know but but we can also be confused and if there's clinging if there's self crazy the three refugees come first which kind of
protect you and to to try and do this to try and do this
and then of course the timber imagery precepts are a fuller kind of explication or of what that would be to not to be evil to do good to see many bees will how would one do that well how about let's start with not killing you know that for starters
i think they're all it's all there altogether
has see
spoofing perfidy i haven't been on
people seem to keep getting hung up on the a murder nothing she stated in the negative term to be you like i vowed to avoid evil and i am i vowed to drew that's kind of like because of are all too human condition as we encounter life some hungry as avoiding he wants
i'm hungry students during game is like those two together out of sort of a catch all are just that i can do all good i don't do a good it almost seems like it doesn't doesn't always fit run on the mark when we're faced with this avoid evil
i'm sorry i'm new to me it seems like it's really necessary and then but that we don't like the negative so present with restated as a positive version which as i found an embrace and sustain our kind of which basically the same as the are deposited versions are their own and i'm the longer an issue
the
a i haven't you seen it maybe if they're very close the right candidate and all good seem to be like two ways of saying the same thing
ah i think the emphasis in that first one is on numb
the actual doing an end the young the thing about doing the rituals and ceremonies you know this other translation ah
it gives it a kind of further it is something will break was saying that you can't do anything and i think
as soon as you say i do something you already set off a dualistic event which is already based in collusion and a suspect in some way you know
so
but i don't know what to say i think you know to know all the different translations into kind of get have a feel for kind of what we're talking about is maybe the most helpful and then what is it that inspires you or that and that doesn't make you cringe and that you feel you can work with him take us in a way
yet
lives in your life i think maybe that's
for each one of us were to m where we can put our effort in tours of choosing one or the other translation for us
i just i to serve our experience with with rock
try and practice this when i
first read the precepts and they really spoke to me this is a wonderful way to live wonderful guidelines for limit and and then i tried to follow them and then with following the precepts allowed a to have the ability to sit in meditation so that's fine
and and sitting and pride precepts
wisdom
was revealed and so all all the time i was trying to be good and do good but never just it just never seem to work but suddenly saying
when wisdom the result of harmful action than i could nacht i could do harm once i saw the real result of that so good didn't count as is overlay of trying to do good or be good it just came from saying know the way things really hard than that
yeah you can do otherwise when you see the true results at our action you just can't do nothing and then of course he gets it can get deeper deeper than just the beginning it was like a real sort of
start calming down and concentration than that
the wisdom and left just the circle of is harmless from
so and what you notice talking about which is out of her own life and also in the buddhist teaching that can be summed up sometimes you hear with three words sheila samadhi impression or sheila as i l a with a little extra over this sheila as ethics or morality samadhi as concentration and pressure
yeah wisdom so these three
things
an api is like a wheel and some people come as some people have an insight you know they're just walking along or whatever or through their own suffering they have an insight into impermanence or
the harm that they've done in their life or there's something that they get you get it through some insider some wisdom and out of that you read you decide i don't want to live that way anymore i wanted
you know not to harm or not treat people that way and then
or or you decided you want to sit let's say if you're british press practitioner and it's very hard to sit if you're not following the precepts i mean if you've been doing harm to others it's very hard to
ah stay put
so the so the more you
stop harming others who do good and avoid evil that the more you can sit in the more you sit the more insight you have into wisdom which feeds wanting to live a life that's the best of all possible lies and so it it goes around like a circle and you can come in it any other three places and each
supports the deepest the other
so and this jeanette really park between
yes
is it seems to me
jeanette seemed like a lot i matters a lot to take up the presets are really cost conscious decisions
take up the presets and lived that way comes from this place them became and separate
to structure around their daily life by the precepts started the words i'm like for you as hits like this guy that you just keep coming back to you through all the difficulties it's just like the preceptor there and even if you know you don't you all good every single day or you know
i realize that you cause them harm it's this thing constants like this base to just
i take you through
perhaps and now
let's start a prime target more than you know having this concrete definition of evil good yeah this is what you do is you can't do that more just to have a structure and having that that intention there
yes
well i i am
i think the difference between rules the kind of usual way we think of these as rules is just what you said it's i'm living thing that you have in your life too
reflect on and bounce off of and that's there to support you and and you become more and more and more intimate with it until it's until there's no difference between that and
your everyday life you know is that it's becomes a calibrated you know so it's like
yes so
i think there is mistaken kind of ten commandments type of rule thing that happens when we read them sometimes but the more you live and practice them and allow them in at the less and less it's like that
man
i voted comment about the phrasing it the used to the word level
of me i've got a very helpful and important
because i've noticed is easy for me to walk with you all do it and it's hard for me to face the fact that on
that there are possibilities who needs to how caused from him suffering and myself knowledge and i think sometimes
well i see the being myself to try to shy away from that and i phone up to it and i think that i just played out from sustainably as well i think in marine county is pretty easy for me to see where i grew up and in the us to we all like to think of ourselves as people who do good and don't like to face the fact that what we do
i'm often has tremendous negative consequences
and so serious
hence you want to put a positive spin on everything but i think of that sometimes a little like five and regret am sprinkling of country the data below those danger
everybody wants to embrace and sustain them
but i am doing it's harder to
really look at suffering and in some ways that avoiding usual isn't about avoidance it's about facing outward many
a warning we wanted in a sense for choosing what to do things that cause effort but i think it's actually about turning tourists that suffering and facing that supreme so i very much needed both sides of the precepts when i hear the priests of state prohibitively it reminds me of on
that there are two sides that not killing and encouraging like
are both very much a part of that percent and you can't just choose i can't just choose the one
thank you i think
you know there was some
a long conversation about this in the karma workshop we gave us three of about the people who do most harm in the world are often the ones who think if they're doing good and very self righteously doing good and
and
ah
anyway so to just what you said about facing this that this is me this is a possibility me that i do have this capacity
then you
a you that it's part of saving all beings he because you you know your capacity and you're vigilant and careful and
knowing that you do has the possibility that you could really hurt someone dancing so if you don't think you can
that's when you can really hurt people luck
so and the refraining from the word refrain
it comes from the word to
a fret for a naughty i think it is like a bit in a horse's mouth where you pull back on the horse you know like rain you ran it in a little bit so it has some some idea of on
our guiding control that's just that's that's right that's not for me anyway to refrain is to pull back and you know getting to out there so refraining from evil knowing that you actually have the possibility you could and
reigning yourself in then you become a treasure for everybody because you know what you could do
let's see i want to look at the time is it about ten minutes to of years of k okay so let's see who hasn't spoken at all tonight that has their hand has had their hand
oh silly can have more think problem probably a simple question the difference between between now
taking
yeah well it's so interesting how we use the word interchangeable you know it's like there are a number of words in the english language that do that like the word cleave you know to cleave to something is to hold on and to cook you knows the place at which could is
a place where you hold you know creek
and receiving and taking on
we use it interchangeably so
i mean there's an active and passive side i think to those so you may feel like
you may feel more one or the other that you're actively taking these up or next act net passively and and negative way but or you're allowing them to just come in to fill you you know so you might find i don't know exactly i think
we called the initiation of
do we call the ceremony
the young
the ceremony safe labour after initiation ceremony
receiving the three pure precepts receiving the ten gray precepts but taking refuge
so maybe you actively take refuge rather than receipt we don't say receive refuge actually so you actively take refuge and then you receive
these precepts they're given to you in the ceremony so
ah
anyway i don't i use them interchangeably and i you know other people to do as well
on that point i was closer
when i received them has a kind of chronological
i think of taking them and then receiving them but i couldn't think of just receiving like they were coming to my drawer
he asked
the court procedure
i have
to a child or to wow
first and iraq
open the doors
so you feel that the taking is this is a turning towards it and an active taking at which point you're able to receive the hands to car is obsessed yeah yeah
some good
what are you wouldn't even know if the precepts were or with a man or the return or someone
there's someone gave him to tell them to the time opens
whether your parents in the future and euros over promotion
you can make it a all
some engine
so you're saying if you unless you took them unless you activate them you can interest if you just received the furniture think about the receiving who are receiving almost seems like someone's webmoney receiver get someone dude yes so whenever i hear the word receiving are more secure like some of the game the time to right
a proud of know
he answer to emerge from made from your experience with them you can understand how can really be done or what it feels like
that's what i simple
yeah
area you you had it before
that's just a mistake
it's not a very have recently we were talking about out
to me it seemed like
good and evil or a subject to interpretation because
here we are now my time to save the world
and that and the things but then there these other people like the logger the new orleans dallas people that and can share their families and you know they are not necessary evil and we can have the alex
seems like an evil were again
yes
so the young
most dangerous part of those kind of situations is
the other you know breaking into self and other and the other almost by definition is ena here bad so that's in in all the social activism work
that seems to be the most crucial difficulty you know is maintaining that mine that doesn't separate out that way
ah
yeah
he's i just have a
something that i read him and i talk by rev i understand what killed the really it's of the approach them actually has become clear to me just listen everybody he says that after you receive the frameset precepts you aren't any different than you were before but if you don't reach receive it you don't know that
she that's very home than to come about after the first you know it's a humbling way
i could possibly violate all of these things in this the cost of reminder to me that i am who i am and
and that's how i can engage in my everyday life
i make your today i felt what we do like police say we can be aware of it then
so i think that's really
it was always very profound to via ignorant
it
could you read it again after you receive the precept you aren't any different than you were before but if you don't receive it you don't know that and i think also the sometimes maybe i might even get caught up and taken to receive going take taking the precepts as own kind of empowerment
which i think it's not the case at all
you know so

it's some just about one minute nine
so going to take you offer year-round wonderful
efforts and discussion in one of the face and i said i really appreciate it
so next week i thought we could start with the first of the
prohibitory precepts a grave precepts that
and to save for the bleakest half killed
i vow not to kill and i thought we we have three more classes so i thought which is that
i bet we just don't for the task kill
see sexuality now we could of course stay with one of them for longer but
did you bring us
this is an article for the third precinct for the misuse sexuality that's been circulated a little bit but
people have found this helpful i found this helpful this is a tick that hand on misusing commentary on the precept of not misusing using sexuality so you can
read that and just
for the last classical will talk about families

so for the practice period how how was it to one
to the refugees here instead of going over was that okay but you miss linda full bars and now was into a fucking a perfect match yourself
why is that zero for the better search other hand knowledge that effort to let us know when you as to what kind of intimidation
this is a good post we were like with as if prepare still say
many as i think it's conceptually related issues yes
if anybody's unit instrument straight for like that prevents perfect
okay so let's really
oh we leave him a front cable and if you anyone you can come up yeah so we're going to be to sutra of closing
and dedicating at the merit of art
effort tonight and then we'll stand up and reduce do three standing vous towards the zendo and we safe down the refugees
and
the