One time or another, a psychologist, a concierge and so on, all the men were able to ask him questions if they wanted to. And he replied so simply and so directly to everything. And he had particularly spoken about the importance of compassion and human values. So she got the sense that this man was really, what he was really stressing was his humanness and that we were all human together. And I thought about one thing that seemed to me terribly impressive about everything in his visit was that he had been through in his own body, in his own experience, this tremendous threat. He had to fly for his life and go through great hardships to get out of Tibet and into India and be accepted in India and settle down there in a modest bungalow a long ways from that great palace. And he'd done it all with supreme grace and had established a center there taking on the problems of the refugees and so on. And here he was, a survivor of that terrible experience, but with such great simplicity and faith. And he spoke very clearly and directly about the problems that we all face, this rising tide of violence all over the face of the earth and all the problems of ecology and so on, which we all face. And every time he was asked these questions or spoke at all, he stressed

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the necessity of our remaining aware and compassionate. He used the word compassionate over and over again. I noticed when he was interviewed by Hugh Downs, he again stressed compassion very strongly. And of course, he's supposed to be very compassionate about that. Well, I guess that song sat down. It was absolutely marvelous. It was simple reality. It was so reassuring. And it was so, in contrast to what one would have expected, and in contrast to the behavior of other book types that have come from afar, I was greatly struck with it. And I felt so grateful that I had seen him several times publicly speaking and comporting himself in a way that was just so easy.

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He had such enormous dignity. You didn't think you could ever, you know, just step in and be offhand with him. And he was very interesting when he was giving gifts. At the end of this group, where all these 20 eminent people had been present, two of them, three of them, had brought presents. One, something I thought rather lovely, about two dozen probably, deep red roses had been grown in the garden, real roses, And this man, this German man, handed him a little sort of fluff of paper, and he handed it to him, and Adonald Owen just barely nodded and quickly handed it to someone else. And then a man had brought a scroll, one up in a beautiful box, and he handed that, and also he just said, well, I do thank you, but barely, and handed it to somebody. And then, rather more marked in his, non-acceptance, a woman who was a little rather pushy, really, she came up and she had a white scarf, which in the Hermonian countries you'd give, you know, if you go to a wedding or anything, you always have white scarves for everybody. In fact, it's supposed to be given on a important day. She'd probably been reading a poem, you know, what to do when she got the dialogue. That's the way she pretended. And she came up and she was a very self-conscious heir.

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put this over his two wrists, and he got rid of it so fast, it was really almost rude. And that was the thing about him, that's all I have to say then, is that he seemed totally to be about what Jung would call a persona. But he didn't carry around the facade, which is the Dalai Lama. He was what he was, and who he was, and it just shone forth. Don't you agree that that was true? That seemed to me the most remarkable thing about him, he was totally himself. That's true, the people relate to him just very directly. They mess with him just like that, but they kind of treat him too formally and gave him gifts and all, he's just kind of brushed away. He doesn't eat in the afternoon. He does some kind of practices in the morning. Sitting and chanting the Lord. And then he eats by himself in the morning usually. He seems to always eat by himself.

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