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the is to choose of as i visited series
well
he day
andrea
already apologized to the gringos residents but i want to repeat that
people are joining the class tonight
many mistake and scheduling myself
and
and i'm quite know what happened that but
some i realized that i was giving a class and killed someone and just mentioned it to me the other day that it was written down that i'm getting class
and so that
now i can't get the class because other things got schedule i apologize and i thought i was going to cancel a class altogether but i thought well
i can't give three classes so i'm going to get three classes everybody who wants to come to one glass or two classes or three glasses please come anybody who registers for the class and pay for it go to the office and get your money back from really sorry that i was my mistake
so what i can do is
i could get a class night
give another class on thursday night and i can give them other class next tuesday but after that unless i can
by locate i can do
a
so try track
i can i remember my i can hardly of uni loper
so
i wish i could remember how this all came about but i just can't remember time scheduling is my hardest biggest problem
okay so anyway local
did someone pass and apparently copies of this texts were passed out
yes everybody has one so was sort start now
about thirty nine the people want to come from anybody want to come thursday night
how can so we will have a glass thursday night
and the next tuesday
and so this in a little this was the book that with everybody the whole buddhist world is thrilled and excited about this broken
middle like length discourses of the buddha
a new translation by between the animali and be to body
and it's very good their sound scholarship and
translated by to practitioners in the contemporary idiom
there's a translation has been around for a long time which is good but it just isn't quite as the
wonderful to have this
and i had various
so there's a lot of cities in here
and one nice thing about this book actually is a and i would recommend anybody who
is interested
by the book of probably costs a lot of money but
the act is and how much does it cost
and fifty dollars running out
damage costs yeah let's take a lot but it's actually worth it
casa
he the books that probably won't go on a style too fast
it's fourteen complications yeah
doctor about that much anyway one nice thing about it is that it gives a summary and the beginning of all the cities in the book which is nice in shape peruse it nicely
and i asked various friends and associates and experts for recommendations with they thought i should choose and i had my own ideas and and lots of different ideas but i decided that for tonight and it might i don't know hour how fast will be able to go when i'm encouraged so it may very well take us the three classes to just discuss
the maha support a suitor
the greater discourse like a sephora
and usually when i get a class i feel you know that it's my duty to discuss the text and will get a little historical background on the stuff that i'm not going to be at this time because
this the spend your day
start didn't catch them so what would i am thinking of doing in stone my usual
practices the august or to read along with them and make a few comments and then having met after that discussion and then between running out of things because we know those parts and i'll make a few comments and who will have discussion until you know the time runs out
so this is an interesting suit to actually because it's there are a number of suitors like this
which
which give an entire course of the whole thing you know this is this is the abc's of the buddha of buddhist teaching this is the beginning and this is all the whole thing from beginning to end and then there's a number of suited as i say that do this and interestingly enough the abc's in the whole courses often somewhat different
there's lot of things that are recycled through and that in the same but sometimes it's lot of little variation so this is one version of the a decision from the beginning to the end
and
so everything from beginning with
moral practices through trance meditation through
liberation and inside inside immigration
and this was a talk given at his place as the poorer less have i heard on one occasion
bless blessed one was living in the undone country at a town of the youngest name or support
and
i always point out know this this is typical beginning almost every super says that of i heard of course and under speaking in and and then the buddha was here with living here during the session so and i was like to point out that way to live always near towns
typically a little
distance from the ten on a big field you know canopy not there and coming at the tail on the alms round in association with ordinary people getting teachings
giving audiences and teachings to the rulers of the town and also ordinary people in the having various encounters and so in buddhism
go far away they would be retreats but basically does is lifestyle and the lifestyle of the people who travel with him
and that there were also different bands of
but his followers they went on with good all time and other people dance here and there and that's how they all it
so they're the blessed one address the because
thus the so this time would appear that he was not getting a discourse to the people from the town or to the
king local king or whatever he was this was just beginning in a local the months that were traveling with him he was getting to talk to them and that's very important point because the buddha taught all was appropriately and saw something that he would teach to the monks
he would not necessarily teaching the same way to the other people who was speaking with and of course then for us this is an interesting question because
we're not monks so is this relevant to us at all
and
i think that
in our style of buddhism in westerns and styling buddhism very odd
thank you know in the buddhist world actually if a new approach because basically almost everybody in the west who's interested in buddhism and practices buddhism is basically practicing as a monk actually that the contract is that people are doing because meditations for monks and the com
application of insight and liberation is for months and buddhist time he would not have that in general but that ordinary people were gonna do that so
when in the kitchen amongst that with the proposition so actually in a way it's appropriate for us to even though we have many differences from the mouth i would say that we have to think of this as being addressed to us even though we're not exactly month
also and this is another thing that i often try to speak about and try speaking at a very brief way
that is
if you know this ceuta and all the citizen his book
come from the pali canon which is the channel most passed on by the terror of outta school of buddhism and we're not follower than the terror of out of school of buddhism and since this suit as there have been many many diff
ah
which
when you read like in the mahayana sutra as you read many things which confused about think that it says and in these citizen and
in zan also many things that it seventy super seem to be seems to be computed seems to be the opposite then understanding in any way
and even in the minor suit of there seems to be in a derogatory attitude toward some of the heroes of these scooters are are treated in a comic way in know actually in the my aunt susan
which is a source of embarrassment actually when you need them you get embarrassed to think that they can be so nasty talk about the nice fella that way
so which is odd to say that sought saw in in in as time goes by you know and we understand to think about these things i think we now are all of us together you know coming to the place where we recognize the strength and validity of these early cuts
and we take them as the teachings of buddha i think can understand in that way we also also understand that there are the various other views of these texts through the generations and we honor those views as well so when we look at these texts sometimes you might see something in them that seems like really well
objectionable narrow-minded fundamentalist and said etc and then are we going to stop and think about that sort of understand with the sutra
from a more broad perspective but that's easy to do and sometimes when i read them i going to notice the objectionable things i think in this subject such as there's one line that's an incredibly sexist and embarrassing you know that reason but other than that i didn't really notice anything in this
particular sutra but i'm sure there's many things that are there and you'll find everyone in the shrift ah so but so we know that that we know that that
that will happen anymore we're not we're a stroll along
fuck am i that when it comes up so let's have some general comments about this so
then
there the blessed one addressed the because thus because
then i will say they replied
and the blessed one said thus and then the rest of the sutra basically the brutal launches into this parameter
and again i always like to say
usually the switch was also start out like this the buddha said
because and will be to say yes
and in the buddha talks and i often say in it
if this were as and texts it would end there
and there are actually several than phones that exactly say that exactly that's what they said monk yes and the phone
and i'm not really in it comes from and it comes from ah
yeah they construct this text that's because your interesting the matter is what you think about it that that is all you need know if the you know is giving a teaching and you are there and the buddhist monks and you say yes what else do you can get
and plus points out the the amazing
nature of consciousness itself that you know
anyone of us is no one and everyone
the amazing thing is that when someone calls are name we say yes know why is that and if amazing and there's a deep teaching him yet and this sort of teaching like that is very much emphasize in his in school
so that's why is then school would be the one that would lop off the whole rest of the sutra with all the things that are talking about and just emphasize the side of yes i'm here i am a person
with an identity even know that identity is totally provisional i stand up and know the world and say goodbye so
that's why also there
so now like that through things i always say let's get into the sutra
so then it says recklessness reckless because that is how people perceive you
and when you were asked what are you you claim that you are directly references
since that is what you are designated and what you claim to be you should train thus we will undertake and practice those things that make one reckless and make one a brahmin
so that our designations may be true and are claims genuine
and so that the services of those whose robes arms to resting place and additional requisites we use
she'll bring them grapefruit and benefits and and so that are going for it shall not be in vain but fruitful and fertile
that's the
the buddha says that's the attitude that you should undertake because
and i feel that to and like in our little capital they're going to get feel that way you feel in other words people were supported by the world at large though dear watson
now
that's appealing promised oh yeah it's can learn certain

you know your supported by the world at large to continue your practice so and where you your life you have to be worthy that and we say that you know when we eat our meals from domain name is food maybe we may our practice be worthy of his food these offering
so in other words you're supposed to be months you're supposed to be reclusive this is your sort of social identity this is how people recognize you this isn't the way people think of you this and how you think of yourselves that being the case you'd really better tend to doing what recklessness supposed to do and do
at right you know because people are supporting you to do it and you really have to be worthy of that
and of course you can imagine that now is about to say what it is that you should be doing and that's what you wants the suit was about but i thought about this using the word recklessness and very interesting you know as soon as sat around for some time contemplating this word and it's it's one thing
the word in poly as samana a on nineteen
sanskrit and it does mean wander or reckless
and of course i've often a function of in an ancient times before the buddhist time was an old tradition in india as i'm sure many do not have people would at a certain point in their lives if they were interested in doing so they would become recklessness that would become want some on as they would give up all their
possession typically it would be after they raise their families and we have in modern times often happens this is exactly the same way after people raise their families
they decided they wanted to devote themselves to practice and they and they give up their profession or whatever and make and they devote themselves to spiritual life so that was happening before the buddhist time and i think that it was a little the buddha was a little bit unusual in encouraging people to take this stuff even before they
had raised families and establish the household and so on so that the buddha often with or then people at an early early age and that tradition continued through the through generations of buddhism
so the recklessness are homeless people in a way you know so when i see homeless people i think these are it's interesting enough to us homeless people are apathetic school in some psychological way scary because we one of your homeless you think what if i was home
a encourages people to be home supposed to be homeless
of course a big difference is that these homeless people are homeless voluntarily dedicated to seeking the truth
of existence and that's why the homeless
but so there's all of that you know background the background
but then i thought why references you don't so i looked up the word and the dictionary and thought of our reckless
and in the word in the dictionary it's interesting it says
it's from the latin word
and require the mean like again you know repeat so on rt re to dairy
a cougar needs to close
so what would it mean to recalls and thanks to record something and then an so the prediction i says this is interesting to close off
to enclose or to open
that is never
so it's like in other words would i get out of it is
so show so
something has been closed shut down
but a closed for the purpose of opening closing again as if as if
mrs my convoluted were thinking anyway as if the life itself were already
in our state of confusion is to be closed
in order to open we need a reckless matter what we need to dentist that we need to like put a little container
an enclosed ourselves with a little container so that we can open so because we're closed with you for that's anyway as my were shaking about it because otherwise it's not what is very odd word isn't a week and then then i thought what about that's reckless but about the same word with the include right
a recluse and includes i'm like the opposite but science i looked up include include is the same words by am plus
cloud ari and include means to shut in
to to put in a category
so it's i dunno because in other words these this whole these things are the opposite of what we automatically expect
so
we want to include things but actually to include things in ways he is the shut out things because that's what we do only include something we take an enemy put it in something plough included to rake recluse to recluse something instead employment is the close at a second time to in order to open it
now that it's free and that's the that's the whole point of recklessness is that they're free they leave society that the people that that he's addressing here are people who this is the point that they have left their social roles
they have left their name and address and the way that they fit into society they said i am now stepping outside of society
so reckless as are actually
people who have
the outer and inner way step out of society and these are the people that he's addressing and and the idea of being that it is necessary the boot felt in these times it is necessary to step out of society in order to be country you have to become a reckless
no closing a second time in order to be in order to be free and so i think that
myself i really feel that this is also true for us in the navy for many of us in a different way in the sense that
we also
i've spoke the other night hear about renunciation that we also
as we
really deeply make contact with our practice in some way we actually step out of society and some really fundamental way even if we may be involved in society you know we are if our practice is really the most fundamental
point of our lives even though we might be involved in some social role we don't actually identify with that role we don't we don't take that role as our life it may be expediently and for these people are course their social role oddly was the social role of someone who doesn't have social role
but of course that was a social or you know because there was a whole place in society for recklessness in our society recklessness are homeless people who are standing on the street no asking for money and causing us this horrible
the confusion about what how are supposed to think of animals but do about them so it's a very odd situation yeah in that we may be recklessness in a way although we are quite living quite ordinary lives and society and for some people for him yeah
do give up social roles as well
so but that but the point of being reckless is to step out of society this is what i was one of the main points that thomas merton i was made about being a month that was his idea what a monk was a monk with someone who stepped out of society and therefore as a person who was outside of society and possess nothing and had no stake in society
could the a profit you know many words
has a place to stand firm which the a criticize of the a moral conscience for society and so i think that there's a lot of truth to that as well and certainly buddha i saw himself that way as someone i'm in a prophetic style
in buddhism is quite different from to the a christian for example a buddha was in a much more i would say
perspicacious com skilled away trying to
get people
look at this way toward peace with that way to liberation of it that way toward
justice enough like that whereas in our western tradition the prophetic voice is going to more strident and complaining shrieking and willingham raining down on fire and brimstone on people which perhaps they need and a but anyway
so
reckless is do that so that they can become liberated and the rest of the sutra is now the things that practices ought to be doing
from a to z and or to effect on liberation
and what because are the things that make one reckless
that make one a braemar and raymond just means like them
the general the brains were cast the class of people who were the priests and also the sort of the crave with the society
so he's using it in a kind of generic way meaning
a noble one
a leader of people
so it's ah bang goes the opposite of refuse in a away
what because are the things that make one a reckless than a on a braman because you should train bus and we will be possessed
a shame and fear of wrongdoing
ah that's what you should ask the person who thinks that it's the first so you gonna go in order to get the first thing that you need is to have shame and fear of wrongdoing which seems like oh you know who wants to have that
i want to get away from feel guilty about everything in in worried about things i do how could the path to freedom begin with having a sense of shame and fear of wrongdoing is from the ottomans and i'm rather definition
no shame in the characteristic of this testimonial i'm a bot that self respect and accept some
here
a friend or family
nothing
that's trying to put not as from the book time year so yeah that the first one as
first one has to do with an internal feel like conscience feeling badly within oneself for doing things that are not good to do and the other one is
being not wanting to think that others notice that you're doing things that are good and and disapprove of you
and these two qualities are called and buddhism the guardians of the world
because
when you think about it i mean it makes sense if you don't care if you have no interest whatsoever in your conduct whether it's positive or negative wholesome or unwholesome
and you really don't basically give a damn what happens or what you do anybody else does this is not a good basis on which the why would you what are you gonna do now you know why would you do anything so you actually have to have a healthy interest in
doing good doing right or do have becoming liberated or whatever you need that unit action feel that it matters to you how you live as the matter if that's what this means you have to be in a position of feeling inside that the way you were really matters to you and that you are concerned about others and they're not that you like
paranoid about you know what everybody thinks of you or something but that you are actually that if your actions were to be disciplined pleasing to others are hurt others you actually would not be happy so you need to feel that way actually if you're going to begin the path so i think that's what you need to the first thing you can say yeah and then the catholic or ran
self respect and decorum
yes
jeff
are you with to visit stone is related to saying for
we
months
i didn't have that social role
pleasant place for them in society step out in society and they was ordered by that and who's very foreign to them they're under those circumstances really close the hamlet
supporting social system in order to conduct themselves in this way very important to them that
the their position as as honor of people be recognized in order for them to be supported otherwise they couldn't be supported monitors grateful that we have some of the a virtue and effect virtue was their job
not only finger cut appearing to be good
what's the job and they depended that their literal livelihood depended on it and there's a lot of things in the suitors not so much in this one three other suitors at which discuss how long should carry himself herself you know how about should speak and so on so forth in order to demonstrate the inner chua
cities so that it wasn't just a matter of having inner qualities but of being able to actually understand how to conduct oneself so that visitors inequalities were apparent of people
i think you know proudly one he is also a terrible stories about monk soup
conduct themselves nicely and then the backroom
and so on but are an integral and a more positive light
to show to be examples the a virtue by the examples of virtue so that people for the better people are inspired by right people like them we all know if there's one not really say our person you know or or strong person or a virtuous person more gentle person or whatever in our midst
what a difference that can make in a group of people so they were to be those kind of people
and i think the charlie's variant translations are very good
self respect and decorum
because they do expressing herself for him inside and then the coroner is a social thing and other was worried worried about are concerned with
appearances and how one flood that affects others
and still still and although i think i think we're getting we're getting over this kind of thing that
we have
a lot of when i was young which is this idea of them
what's the word i put it being independent and individually i'm why should i care of anybody can become like if i care what anybody thinks the next month be honest
to my senses is free
she's exposition the first one
no it
how it in and

yeah yeah i think that's sir
you're taking a look a little further and but i think that's a good good from inside now
look i'm confused them
and has new that about what you were saying like that spontaneity and then who have an on line and not quite sure if context and excitement in the form one
when he can afford a team of we can move the counting and sent his nap and then
that seems to be like authenticity and had an authenticity relate to this a code of conduct
good question and i'll give a response and the know asked for about four or five other ones okay because this this is one of the this great instance in but i mentioned the beginning where the teachings of this layer of buddhism will seem to be contradictory as you're pointing out to sandstones and approach although
i think that that's only on the surface it seems to be that way so there's lots of things that we can say about the they all understand the for the question is clearer
i would say myself that
it's must be clear that
spontaneity observed advocate spontaneity which is dubious to begin with it mustn't probably not is not advocating a kind of
self centered i'll do whatever i feel like doing spontaneity probably not probably it's it's advocating a sense of spontaneity and authenticity that goes deeper than self or ego and so improbably
that's kind of spontaneity would
the hard one
in the sense that one trains you know for some time and
grows into it
and
in the same way i think the true achievement of self respect and decorum is not
self censorship and controlling oneself but rather an easygoing sweetness that comes from being at peace with oneself so actually is two things to me with
quite be the same overlay summer quite opposite and even that was how i would respond to that but i let's hear some other comments can use a good point
the else one yes no
something has gone
wow
south
know
be respectful
plan your heart can be found you actually more yourself
you are
i get refreshed
shop that
the i think that's right i think that the need to
the assumption and are in buddhism is that we are good at as to what you're saying and we we are buddha and so our deepest expression of ourselves as to behave like buddha
and this is how good of the hates now chris gotta be careful because we don't want to like put booting and boxy that we can't exactly this is how good of his what we when we can't print design what that looks like me on the outside but
but that that that are our most true expression of who we are is to natural goodness is i think if you want to say it this way the faith of a brilliant and and i think that we do corroborate this my experience and if you do find that
i'm you know it's a interesting issue to me to and ahead similar reactions ah to both of you i've been reading this book which is about on zen reformers and
and i don't know if if you know that and reformers like i'm eq would really who would really you know speech this but i think also it's important to remember he get excited by looking at he sent masters who so unconventional manner compensate for one thing they were appear to a very very different moment of history and i think it's interesting look at the moment of history
that some it's arising i mean here buddhism is brand new and the foundations are being laid and then you know i don't know how many centuries later in japan stand at that point gotten very very corrupted you know on and very of feet and really moving away from southcenter spiritual realization and some lot of what these people were
rebelling against was an inauthentic we call it a version of buddhism it was very deteriorated
and that was where some of their unconventional and he came from so i think some people do it is appropriate sometimes to say things in a way that might feel upsetting the people that is i think we we feel you know lot of us have had training that you know if i just tell like it is say with some my mind that's great and a lot of times it's hard to say when that is so clean
yeah and i think often it is in when it really is sort of a cutting through action and i think it it just depends on the situation you're in sometimes people will come along and said kind of political leaders have come along and said things can upset people you know martin luther king upset people and he was unconventional that i think if you check in and see what you're in
intention is when you're you know him i really just being greedy and my really just getting something for myself or is there some kind of greater benefit going on
so i don't know if there's an easy answer
to the asset
he not come
i know that
having practiced forms of actress to seems to be talking about with statement
yogurt or am i speaking loud enough for now i think i just shaking it up again and then ah you're having taken out repetitive practices like claims saw someone more tea ceremony nothing less than to play to google should sleep
i am that sets our on ah
but
i have those times
one
so this zoo advocating this attitude to think as it is like a substitute for the arctic in close never
what makes little sense in way because like i know that is zen monasticism which is highly formalized as we all know
there isn't that much discussion of this sort of thing because of the ideas that just do in the forms is gonna bring up
these inner feelings more reliance on the outer to bring up in sturgeon and
i think that this report and a agreement with a essentially everything intact and just all want to add to that that's the idea of spanish name
feelings company in identity isn't the same recklessness and it should be appreciated that this kind of spontaneity it's place even the context of people who have thrown their entire lives a lifetime after lifetime police after that
legally committed the realization that police ah bad and the data thoroughly taken refuge in the three treasures were of their lives in that context question was a degree that's different from where yeah yeah right

well i think it's kind of funny that
the first
higher that paragraph says
this tire proceed
it's are gonna seize you
like the i think this simple way of saying why the buddha surface with the it's almost like i
teaching out
don't identify yourself because he says there's in how people see you when they ask you what you are you saving this
you put yourself in that fox well i then you can at it
i know the rest is the rest of the feature will go on say this that think in a way this this first part kind of said while if you're going to label yourself as this than act like this
you know don't i
i asked sonia would argue
and she says i'm sonya well that i can say nothing though she says i a month when i say well that makes me think of this inexplicable as and these are the standard by which
we set that up to the boot has standards for references but he doesn't have standards for you been here when you say that reckless is not a word just reckless is this little box with during call yourself that this how you practice and practice in this box and i thought
two
yeah no that's an interesting point i thought of that too when i read the casino been lowered it it's good because it's through it doesn't say your this is what is necessary to do and orange a very good to be an enemy which i think that's what as the sense of it as a it needs certainly and that's what other suitors you know good wrestling and what gives the same as
similar
a protocol for what you should do but it is under interesting think about and why here is a mortgage
you have is that people give you a new clue the whole this definition then you should do so this we can think about this a lot and think we were on the okay suppose the both they say well we don't think your records and of other people say that we are will say we're not enough
so then can we avoid the rest of can we get out of all this stuff
that we have to do if we just you know and then i guess the boot and maybe the buddha would say well of course if you just say another effortlessly
in a baby and your heart you really do hold onto identity anyway he said that's one thing that you know so
maybe that's true in other words s maybe if you really understood that you are not addressed this and you really were free of that in your own hundred and three of other people's projection on you to be such i mean i mean really three not just i say i'm free i think country but i really free and then a self deafen
mission then maybe gets to you and already would already have done on things that it says in the next day or ten pages medicine what it's a good point until we the partner on harping on that little creepy
i find a definition breakfast and independent
including from thank you anna reckless this
has cause an open so
so you call yourself reckless
and therefore you're going to act like records
and eventually you're going to realize that you're acting like reckless and that like yourself a joke who turned away because his game and there's this great teaching of like
put yourself in the box go ahead so you know i'm glad to have an indian on that allow new than open and then it's really yeah tennis that's good that's great cause certainly in the next turning the wheel of dharma which is not emphasize that all this whole book
but in another
let's say after one digests all of this than the next thing is
don't forget there's no eyes no ears no no not on your body nor mind or recklessness nobody
no suffering no origination no stopping noica as the next thing
that's the graduate school right after the on undergraduate school and you're good a good records here than you go the graduate school in and develop and then you go to the post doctorate to go where you pick it up again
know what
so that's good point i did i do think about that but i didn't want to bring it up
a
and decide for themselves
for
society
so that the dems that is another little party less than two wasn't just guess yes we brought that isn't it again my is very important not only to receive on but i'm maggie homes work for on the roof
be worthy of to use them well
well i would say we thoroughly cover the first cover
you will share how do you think
so does the first thing that if you really going to be a reference for you're gonna have to
have self respect and decorum if we want to be easier on ourselves or shame and fear of wrongdoing if you want to be tougher on ourselves lucky confuse ourselves water so then but then the buddha says now because you may think like this you may think oh we are possessed of shame
shame and fear of wrongdoing that much is enough that much has been done the goal of reckless ship has been reached there is nothing more for us to do
and you may rest content with that much
because i inform you i declared to you you who seek their debt with status
do not fall short of the goal of reckless ship while there is more to be done and of course as you have noticed these such as our oral teachings and they include a tremendous amount of repetition and also recycling of exactly the same material from one sutra to another and on this from poetry i you
have a good life and you've got to stick it in panama off after a while and sort of sounds really more and more profound heard that question
happen as what you do if you post on sunday
so that's what they do here and this is the repeated formula
yeah
you know
you may be content both that much but i'm telling you that don't stop there don't fall short of of the whole goal don't stop know at some point and say that's enough i've done all i need to do so it's an interesting thing and the buddha here is actually encouraging exhorting the monks and they return
each time he gives them a teaching about what they should be doing he says and don't be satisfied with that
do this so this made me ruminate over that that
satisfaction and dissatisfaction in the course of practice and actually this sort of his satisfaction is essential
in practice in other words we have that have satisfaction you know what with what we're given on each more they can't complain about the arrangements in other words the arrangements are that's it you know there's no use complaining
about this moment whatever brings whether it's a happy moment or really crummy one you know this is a and this is also when i was speaking of the other nine terms of renunciation that we have to renounce all other possible moments you know but this one with whatever it brings so we have to be totally satisfied
on each morning on the other hand we have to have a spirit of making a little bit more effort in practice there's a kind of sense of endless refinement an endless effort which comes from a kind of introspection of okay here's how i'm doing now here's where i mean in practice now and i have to go through
verdict and it's not a finish it
and that you know whenever it that will work out if you've come to points they want to read this great i got this down
instantly to know another situation and so if you think about it down pretty soon instantaneously you're behind that so you have to always have the spirit of a little bit more effort which comes from a real sense of the set so it's odd you know that you have to have little bit of dissatisfaction and in the you'll see in the
i don't actually forget if in this version of the
description of the meditation states that's how they were is you're going through a deeper meditation state by recognizing our this state is not quite right and we will be for us
so it's tricky because this sort of thing plays into our this is so this is a what let's say this is a wise the satisfaction or dissatisfaction that leads to more positive effort and practice trouble is it's awfully close to an unwise the satisfaction which is a kind of complaining you know about things which
sometimes we do because that's the way reminders but not the thing to encourage because if we do them presumably when i'm getting are spinning our wheels you know who's complaining about things that we can do nothing about and then we kept you stuff yes they said from pretty wise and satisfaction
if may have to be hurried and really profound satisfaction us to and and faith in the possibility of going further
absolutely
so then now we're going to get all the other things falling on my first one that must be done the second one what more is to be done because you should train thus our bodily conduct shall be purified clear and open flawless and restrained and we will not praise ourselves and the spirit others
on a of that purified by the conduct
now because because you may think this we are possessed the shame and fear of wrongdoing and our bodily conduct has been purified that much is enough them which has been done the goal of reckless shift and can reach there is nothing more for us to do
and you may rest content with that much because i inform you i declare to you you who seek the requisite status do not fall short of the goal of reckless ship while there is more to be done but war is to be done
because you should train thus are verbal conduct the first his actions of the body
no
speech or verbal conduct shall be purified clear and open flawless and restrained and we will not praise ourselves and disparage others on a kind of that purify verbal contact now because you may think thus repeats the whole thing again i think that's enough well not quite sure to predict what were then should you do well
you should train that our mental conduct shall be purified clear and open flawless and restraint and so on so body speech and my conduct of body speech and mind should be
so this is
basically
training rules or precepts or moral conduct should be straightforward and clear paper has been working we should be clear
you should be open
should strive to live in that way
and furthermore not only that the very important point with each one he says and not only should you practice and and live in that way but you should also not praise yourself are doing that and put down others who aren't will you think aren't doing them just as important that were just as important as
a purified by the speech and mind is non praise of self or disparagement of others because if you've purified by speech of mine and you praise yourself for to disparage others them or kind of purified body speech and mind that
so then
after body speech and mind comes live in them
next our livelihood should be pure clear and open flawless and restrain
and then we should praise ourselves to put down others who we don't think
i do that band comes so
you can see how this is building like this is that this is a building any
basically a training program
from the very beginning
and i think you know that i returned it stores point you know these people are records of sensor records since this is your job you might as well do it and you have to do
because you know new you'll survive so here's the training program first of all ought to have a good spirit for wanting to do good and not wanting to do bad you really need the attitude going to have the going to have an attitude for this training program first know attitude
you know no training so i gotta have an attitude that you'll want to do this and then you've got to work on your ordinary everyday garden variety conduct
doesn't say what it means to purify clarify and okay
body speech and moment other places there are discussions of this but that one should do it is important and do it with partnered with humility and then also livelihood
some of the translation say way of life but a musician or just how you
yeah you get your liking and get your winning and you live your life every day
and then from there so that's like killing kind of like cleaning up your act
then as a little bit different approach in a certain way now
instead of saying is in clean up your acts here at the idea is you clean up your act that humidity is we're going to go through a whole series of things which finally we get the meditation but you're not prepared for after a great deal of training and taking care of your life and various other things awareness practice and so on then
you're going to work your way up to my meditative states concerned
the very thing that you know that there's no preparation to sit down and the total buddhist state in the beginning
and then nobody says you know
purified by the speech and later on you realize
through the city that basically you need to do that because in the beginning of someone told you know this this business and this and this this and then you can consider and say well forget too much stronger and and the because have increased
that to heart
you know why i'm going to get to the good stuff now and going away the later everybody wants to meditate but nobody wants to do these other things until later than they realize they've already been doing it and then you do it more
visit the from training program this is a progressive in building
so the next one gets more subtle
you have to now guard the doors of the sense faculties
which is pretty hard too because our relationship to our sense faculties is very immediate
an habitual and subtle right
so
guard and the doors and since back with visit them on seeing and for with the i we will not grasp at its signs and features
since if we left the i faculty unguarded evil unwholesome states of covetousness and grief might invade us
we will practice the way of its restraint we will guard the i faculty we will undertake the restraint of the i faculty and then the same thing is repeated for the other five senses and i always like to point out that it's a very remarkable thing then in buddhism there are six senses
and the six was not like intuition or something and six one is thinking mental faculty which is considered to be
on a par with the other five senses
so the ice is form the his a sound the mind cognize is a thought and these are not as if the thoughts fussy or up above you're looking at all these other things and explaining them somehow although it's recognize that the mind does have that capacity basically the mind is no
more privileged an observer or character than any difference
so this is very important point because to us you know we think no matter what we think you think we really the hitch
me is the way i think i know what's going on and i am watching the rest of me doing all these things and i know it's district but actually the i that thinks that it knows what it is it's no different from anything else the mind the i or the year of the knows it's all confused
and equally
that's interesting thing you can think about that for a long time than fact that just automatically this is the understanding and who to start and pretty good as that as well in india
but anyway so this is the operative sentence and we have to think about this closely here on seeing a for with the eye or whatever it is the year etc and seeing a form with the i we will not grasp at its signs and features grasp we will not grasp and it's signs and features
that's that's how going contracts we're not going to grasp at the signs and features of things that we'd see
different so in the act of perception
we immediately
grasp think she made it before we even know what it is you know we're already thinking i don't like her
i never did like that type of for and the some about it it bothers me before i even she didn't say anything and i are the i don't like the kind of or suit in or something me this is basically had a mind works very habituated to immediately grasping with positive or negative charge virtually everything that come
mes along and so we this means that somehow we're going to contrive so i didn't know what we're going to do with them to take a deep breath that we're going to like slow down our lives or we're going to like pay attention to what our reactions are or something or all the above so that whenever i mean think of it
how many sense impressions there's one half in a minute
a lot you know a lot including thoughts and homes mean a lot so think about a job is this i'm right and how
pay attention to all that in a different way in such a way that i'm going to try not to
hold on so quickly
and so thoroughly everything that arises i'm in another words the a little bit more peaceful a little bit less
agitated and intent on having an opinion about everything having a point of view about everything doing something about everything that comes in my field when but i'm going to like com like let it be a with it and just cool out
that's what something like that i mean talk about there's more sunlight and then why because
if we left the i faculty unguarded
evil unwholesome states of covetousness and greet might invade us so this kind of language you know i remember
when i first heard about you know the greed hate versions and greed hate delusion whose greedy haiti and bracket
i mean sure you know your little grabby once in awhile to create a delusion has too much
at but now it turns out it's not doubt
so
i mean because the more you look this is shock because
as we all know i i see by you laugh at you and you understand what i'm saying credit limit and that's not even though
actually i mean in a certain way i'm sure that everybody sitting in this room is a nice in a good and decent person and sure that nobody goes
nasty stake rotten person that we would not want to thank you know
however also we often know and if we look inside carefully enough there is plenty of aggression and violence greed hatred and confusion that all the totally nasty things that you can imagine in the world i'm actually in your mind and so and it's pretty much immediately there
you don't have to do anything about it particularly and the more you look the more you see that itself and as i say one of the things that often happens is when one becomes shocked
so that's why it's going to talk about these things so that you know to get depressed yeah well you know i came here thinking i was a pretty good person i could use improvement now i see i'm the worst person i've ever met i don't go to an improvement i'm wondering whether i should jump off the bridge
not worth it i'm going on with my life you can be really shocked to see you know what i'm finding here it's wow it's really terrible so in other words that's right yes if we don't do this kind of work then
yeah we might have been definitely we will be invaded by the average everyday stuff which we first we thought was to sort of average everyday stuff now we're beginning to get it that this average everyday stuff and basically like they say are evil unwholesome states have covered distance and grief is a characteristic of the average
person's mind i'm they get a moment during
so
that's on the assumption
i yeah i didn't have any trouble with
the idea of not grasping essential data but my reaction here and again this to speed at which you stated beginning the a difference of house and evil for someone's here when a hear statement is very very pervasive and it really scriptures about guarding a door sense faculties to me right away when i watch the reaction of my mind it's me
i'm going to do with some a guard and there's something regarding there is through separation you know and it's like and i just i just don't want them in my practice and to find it very very detrimental on and so there's something about the way that stated that you know whenever yeah six micro yeah well i think this is where
are we have to apply a little bit of wholesome no eyes no ears no no no time so you have done that would see it in that life because absolutely and it may be
i mean so
we have to in a sense translate that language here are so yeah yeah because it could have that and certainly it's been mentioned many times that
but because we're really these texts with an overlay or not an overlay of a background of
judeo christian feeling and revolve seeing the the in a horrible effects of repression and he's kind of fence in the world of religion in our own tradition and then it's also true in buddhism and asian traditions as well we need to be careful about how we understand this stuff and
yeah so maybe we need to look for translated for ourselves in another way and also the word evil i've got a wonderful letter actually from a zen teacher from far away and or comrade brewer
heard that we were
you know like undertaken to read translate the solos and liturgy and she wrote it like a really interesting and cogent an impassioned letter about the word evil
saying please don't use this word in limited because like you know the first few or precept i vowed to avoid all evil i thought to do all good it don't try please don't translate that were there are other ways to translate don't use the word evil
and she said because the word evil is hopelessly mired in this room i stopped and the matter what you do we know we think of all the new people we always have coming and they're going to hear this thing but evil and the are going to projected onto it in all that sort of idea of evil in the devil and some independently existing evil and science of
it and it was actually a very smart letter i appreciated
but the other point of view is
let's
to understand that word evil and these kind words in the way that they really are met in music so rather than going going around the language for go head on into it them and i think there's good arguments both ways
definitely in buddhism
evil has to do with unwholesome unskillful states that costs suffering invest that's him that's what evil needs if there and other words those states of mine and those behaviors and ways of being that will
definitely lead to suffering suffering in one's own heart and the suffering of others
not that there's some
shameful horrifying force outside of us that gets in income places itself insinuates itself in us and so on and so on you know which you feel now i don't know actually what a lot of bible thumping christians mean when they said evil actually but it's your south
sounds like this reapply for terrible thing doesn't sound good and you don't feel like you can work with that and we started
do i have a hard time figuring out how to work with that i mean i you now i'm sure there's a with these people are not stupid i'm doing this for long time and i'm sure there's a way that they worked with it i just don't happen to work alone whereas this is israel i find much more workable like well yes and i know that that's true that i have in my own line ways of thinking behaving
speaking and someone like and make a lot of trouble you know really fast if i want i mean i know how to that if i didn't certain things that with buys picture mom and i would really make tremendous suffering well as we all can do
so and i'm not i don't like that
right i mean maybe so i mean there was a time when when you're done maybe like suffer and something's exciting as the take separate exciting gets tiresome after a while especially the repetitive nature of it
you know so when you start to get that than than you think well i guess not the way so that that's what is meant here so if you in other words on this very minute
careful level it's necessary
and here we have to think about this together what does it mean here what did it what does it mean
actually let's say that the we want we i think we would all agree most likely
that we would like to avoid the problem with your brain of the we don't want to it's not going to work out for us to repress ourselves been very uptight about in everything
ourselves and time we look at something do something or face up you know
so therefore given that given that we all assume that how what does this mean how are we going to do this what does it what does it mean to guard the sense there are some anyway here's some comments about that financing guess
ah for act passed that law can't hurt the last nickel what like that and they were making a point of substituting the word damaging or evil uganda
when i know about thing that you more kids specific and directed damaging action for thought through and just like all us have the capacity to be going to happen i'm working on thought to have athlete
yeah that that an evil so that's alas mired were
dancing to yes so that's yeah that's a sense of in buddhism i think
not just curious your friends to just alternative
a worrisome for what i am jealous time i got to be honest with you i don't remember that she probably good to know but i don't know everyone has experienced that and yeah the others different ways of translating for long time we didn't in fact we we didn't use evil for a long time for
just that reason and and only recently actually used to transmit the word as evil and evil is actually probably
the best translation actually when you look at the with the word really means
except that carries his bags yeah
carrie
i here trying
i know it's not like to drop bombs on whoever five and you through the watching it the time for
what it's kind in store guess
we couldn't watch tv
why does
yeah in fact not only that but
this well this might sound like repression and being tied around the center as it may be just the opposite
that because get what you're doing is allowing yourself to appreciate
in the sense of really being there for things you see and hear and think and so on
so whereas the most of the time in fact we don't even have any idea what we see or hear that because was already in there are ready with our opinions in our
complaints and i whatever that we don't you know i mean that's why when we every once in a while when we see something it's shocking here we actually like somebody was said what did they oh i yeah
yeah like this is art by and supposed to do this friend you've got somebody said i was at the museum because they said i forget what it would want this congress but so he said you know how it is when you go to an art museum and you look at the artworks and then you go outside and everything looks different for fresh is actually there
you know that feeling they said they were arguments about here
so it's actually startling when you do
and often we feel this to in with meditation practice rate we all know that experience to in the mind is actually calms down and our usual way of complaining about everything and are analyzing everything or filtering everything through his is good for me as as bathroom we do like this do i'm not like this and it goes away
and all of a sudden now we see a flower were amazed that that flower could be there and how beautiful that could be or whatever it is that we see or hear or see or taste or whatever so we can be eating food and this editing session and thinking this is the best food if anybody could ever possibly
make couldn't they couldn't be you couldn't go to the big restaurant this is i mean i wouldn't pay like three dollars for this may have different
i could go down to this other restaurant and pay and ninety eight dollars and it wouldn't be as good
because the obvious thing you know it is pet
when we have lunch
yeah there's the food and there is the
one that receives the food that's the one that receives the food isn't this the first i'm gonna taste good the one that received the food is pure and clear you know a drop of water taste good so so innocence retrograde sensors may just be the opposite for depression
see when you when you grab everything
i mean like if you eat if you get the best ben and jerry's ice cream
but
and you don't guard the cent stores and you eat seven pints of it
what lead me to fifty six sixth seven times are not going to take them that
how you i saying they won't they really as i know it seems like if you really really present i've noticed when i'm really really essentially present there is a it's enjoyment but i'm usually satisfying much faster because i really taste it i tasted them real mouthful and i find that i'm craving and i'm over eating is when
on you know
when i don't know what's going on and when i know that's just exactly where says he ends up your free and exactly yeah so that's what i'm saying is a the sniffs and regarding it's gonna be guarding something like designation that thing about getting from the inside simple
yeah that's good is rather than guarding lol yeah i am the place or something like that
impression yeah you want to guard it moving
if anyone falling within the preciously garden your home notwithstanding
carelessly
so yeah
i'm astounded very that phase in yeah
he them like that were guard i guess they weren't samarra like moving and there are more life has been pressing and out from ah react
and then and inserted something like control my senses can control up but even if your response yeah one
and here
yes
i think it a tummy it does have a lot to a quiet since quiet and being aware you know quieting being were in appreciating you know rather than
controlling because yeah and often that would those words are used in
and i mean i think we have to acknowledge that
i think that many food practitioners
reading these texts with those words would have understood it in some way like that and would have perhaps been narrow minded about would have understood guard you know control
and we don't agree there is there
i think certainly from our point of view being aware of all the teachings beyond that and having reflected on it and also being aware of our own cultural background i think we would
really be aware of that kind of error and it's use and the problem
who claims that like this is very easy to get caught often
tuesday and that the food debris during says she was the greatest group because we are so aware of it
meaning that in itself is like this
grasping holding on tours of the moon and then when you say you know that via we had during that says she was greatest meal it's like
join the like my usually leaking or something who might just spouting and a community it's like this
why why are you labeling
including it's been a good degree was a good good manager yeah you're seeing and like this and it's not the food's taste that any different it's just that with it it's good over yeah i think that when you practice in this way that we're discussing here in various ways you do see clearly how
it is that you you you actually get to see the process of grasping
and how the process of grasping does remove you from your life take away your appreciation of your life making this satisfied and and make the big trouble you can even really see the
process unfolding fairly clearly when you do when he tried to do this kind of practice
to decide to to be very present and then it may be quiet is a good than the way to think about it in a little bit lower key around your experience than me
he's not inches so
not this is not grasp yeah not passing
losing my job to come on that
yeah
the which is just stay to
that's not true
that's if that's the way think habits or it tried to push the weapon that but pushing it away is like you say exactly it it's meant technically pushing away is the same thing is grasping basically it's another form of fastening
yeah so it's like you know i'm not grasping this
now i'm grasping it but even though it's still in my hand and not grasping that's going to have to get rid of it nor enough to grasp it you know
ruth
yeah that's the present grasping at a fine
yeah
that confuses me on yeah like all art is grasping at science teachers as moronic scandal our musical
creation of a beautiful art and cinema and i don't know that confuses the well yes that's a little technical thing
yeah about the signs and the futures
maybe i can say this the the ideas
so on a deeper level it's not only about
i'm not grasping but it's about not being
a confused by defining things
the we would really means is not letting the senses in the act of perception are five things
really appreciating that everything certain is therefore history
and can't really be
the named and control in the act of procession which is pretty subtle point that really involves meditation practice
so in a certain way in the conversation we're having here we're kind of glossing over that point and we probably should at this stage of our discussion here because it's only later
at the end of the course of study here that's being built up
when you really clarify through your building up to a deep meditative inside as the nature of phenomena that you get to not really and truly at all grasp and may five things so here i think this is sort of saying i mean as the neck
one cut will will will detail for us it say now okay gang if we're going to do this we're going to be reckless as we're going through this training we do have to clean up our actually have to clean up the way we speak the way we use our body and where we think it's on and let's not like you know each lobby overeat take a lot of drugs
went around and have sex with everybody we meet so on and let's not go or or be just obsessed with things that we see or hear that was that's cool down here you know i'm got to cool down and so straight now
and simplify our life a little bit because the following steps will require that others and if we don't do that we won't be able to progress on this little graduate of path that's been so with here for that stage that's that's enough for us to consider in on and later on we can go deeper of these same practices interestingly in this gradual
it
ah
can all be revisited at later stages of development instead and deeper
so in the beginning it might be quite obvious and quite course what it means to be pure and are exabytes beach in mind but then after we deepen our practice more and understand a lot more we go back and nice along i gotta go further with my speech and mind any further with garden since towards the science on this stage you know
i think it's just a question being a little more restrained a little quieter little more peaceful with the six senses and i think that we kind of came to the end of the class and
so will stop there with moderation in eating
so we don't need be moderately between now and next time you move after which will have to change that
so
thank you all for coming in now hours as it's funny and i i i enjoy giving classes and i think most important thing
so it's really given that is really really stupid that i messed up on the schedule and sorry again and again it's this is a novice needs to come and discover she liked thursday next tuesday and that you did pay for the glass you can of course you don't have to get
my that position you should certainly deserving to pack up the office knows about them and will protect you
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