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Embracing Fire: Lessons in Interdependence
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Talk by Paul Haller at City Center on 2008-07-12
The talk presents themes of control and interdependence through the metaphor of a fire at Casa Haro, exploring how human plans and preparations meet uncontrollable natural forces. It emphasizes embracing the unpredictability of life and recognizing our interconnectedness, drawing parallels with Buddhist teachings on non-duality and mutuality.
- Martin Luther King Jr.'s notion of an "inescapable network of mutuality" is highlighted to emphasize interdependence in the broader context of existence.
- The concept of "taking refuge" in Buddhist practice is discussed as a way of embracing the reality of interconnectedness rather than striving for control.
- Zen practices, such as meditation, are touched upon as means to engage with the teachings of mutuality and appreciate moments of existence beyond success and failure metrics.
AI Suggested Title: Embracing Fire: Lessons in Interdependence
There was an extraordinary moment on Thursday afternoon. I think we were the first one at 1.30. The director of Casa Haro, David Zimmerman, was on a speakerphone and it was a small group of a sucker on speakerphone. We were calling him out. He was, you know, in the middle of half an hour, we're talking about to get updates. And for the last few weeks, they had been diligently prepared, you know, thinking of all the things they could do, getting all the information we could from all sorts of fire authorities, friends of Zen Center, whoever, who had bought five. Cooked fire lines, they locked up little branches of trees so they wouldn't be cut out. set out a series of pumps and all of this practice, sort of a different scenario, so the way the fire could come and practice the drill.
[01:12]
And in the meantime, we looked at, well, what politicians could recall to ensure the interest of funding. At some point it would look like the fire would move forward at the bottom and then back at the bottom. I remember thinking, we're never going to get back. I remember going to spend the whole summer on the phone saying, what's happening? Anyway, Tuesday afternoon, about 1.30, it happened. And David was on the phone. Here, there's riot and it's noise, make it sink. Okay, there's fire behind the rock, and it's coming down.
[02:13]
And the plane's about 50 feet high. And there's fire up there, and it's coming down. And there's fire over there, and it's coming down. And there's fire by the earth, and it's coming down. And there's deep side of the arrow rally. Those of us listening on our speaker phone, we're all out of excitement. Of all this preparation, all this is prioritizing, you know, that settlement, making one dramatic moment. It's coming forward, full force, literally. And then David said something like, I think I should hang up now. I mean, I think I should hang up now.
[03:27]
I mean, I think I should hang up now. I mean, it was so ambiguous. of our life, you know, we construct our life, you know, we live the life, we kind of do it fast, you know, as best we can, we bring our religion and our fulfillment to the life we have and try to do something with it. And we're reasoning to a piece where Glennon called, presents to a poet and a singer We would say, we think there's some deep way we're trying to change something or succeed. And of course we can. We can make all the graduation through like, I get the fire, it was a filmmaker, yeah.
[04:31]
Take about it as an issue of control. Is it in control? Are you in control? Or is it out of control? Sometimes we like to guess we're in control. And then sometimes we don't. And then more. I think we're redacting. And I will go into all the drama that preceded that moment, but who should stay, who should stay, with all that, with that, too. With that moment, the power of the moment, of the people there, the forest, the fire, everything coming into relationship, everything affecting everything else.
[05:57]
It's a wonderful phrase by Martin Luther King. He said, we're caught in an unstable network of rituality. whether or not you are making an issue of control, you're ready or not. At this student, you know, at Casa Aro, when she was coded, she said, for example, lightning strikes and fireworks. And everything goes up from that. We're caught in an instapable mag work of rituality. tied in a single garment of destiny. If the forest consumes Takahara, then its sort of course comes at it.
[07:02]
If the heart doesn't, then something else comes at it. But the course will manifest and unfold, but as we look forward, hide in a single garden. This is the deep teaching, this ritual, this interdependence. It is the deep teaching of what? To wake up to it, to realize it, to be it. This is to do that. As I find here in Japan, it's not just a matter of medication, it's not even a matter of cross-legged city.
[08:05]
It's this essential being part of independence. It's seeing that anger freaks, with all the effort of human life, meets and becomes part of all life. So that's the moment I'm first be added to me. It's just, what can we say? It's sick to the toddler on the speakerphone. And in a way, this is the emergency of our life, which of course is not our life, it's life.
[09:08]
It's the vast existence in which even Time is just an imposed measure. Any definition, control, either control, success, support, is an imposed definition. And in this capacity, the whole moment in that way one that goes beyond one. And yet within our human capacity, there's some way in which we can actually see how we narrow it down into success and failure, into control and out of control, into good and bad.
[10:11]
We can see that and seeing it release This is an amazing, wonderful part of our human capacity. In Buddhist practice, this is seeing the path of liberation. We see the activity of our human involvement. And one way you could say, if we entrust to the game, it's to be part of everything that's a great way to do. And then we could say, seeing the human response, and seeing that there is, right there in seeing it, an opportunity to not be supplemented.
[11:20]
Seeing that is to take refuge in God, to take refuge in seeing the path of liberation. And to acknowledge it and to live as what Luther King said. To live as part of an inescapable network of mutuality. But take refuge in Zucker. And then these three of the girls, things that we call the Buddha, one way you could say it's Buddha Dharmasalva. But every moment is a thing to play out all of the pieces of An hour and a half or two lives were here.
[12:34]
Amazingly, David Kolbacher. I'm telling you, maybe we couldn't speak about it. Really, five of them. Five of them were. You can get the phone to give us an update. Of course, not. It's hard, you know, it's hard for anything. We experience our human life dying with, you know, it brings up circumstance and condition.
[13:36]
It's hard to think everything which will happen is exactly the search and it's not the moment. There was a very large extent that Manning put out a danger fire department. We'd lost one cabin, one toilet, one shed. But in the context of what might have happened, that was delightful. In other words, we were in control. It's a perfect calm and we have a wife.
[14:45]
It's different when we think about it. In a whole lot of the set of circumstances, the fact that it happened in the brain, So it was caused for concern, you know. So that in these circumstances, it was caused for relief. Just hearing the relief in daily tours. Daily relief in the world, you know. What happened? How did you do it? It took me dinner there in my place. Well, maybe now we should do an act. I'm sorry. We should wait in the future. I won't build a franchise out there. And the tour is like, here on this very spot.
[15:53]
Almost 200 pages to get there to do. for you, we're just seeing the murder of wires . And then you give the conversation an almost comic sort of real ending, you know, the day we describe in the leading force, how the power could gone out, where's it coming, what they had done. And then in a courier way, he said, I need to hang out loud, if the fire line is doing any area where I should go up. The courier way he said, you know, it was like, somebody on the telephone could sit down and try to go.
[17:01]
Talking about the fire and all that later. I'd like to leave it two or three hours. It was almost like the fire was history. I get it happened before. Not now. Not in this current circumstance. And it created me with what? There was a fire. You have that interesting play of a kind, you know? The interesting play of a kind and powerful circumstance. You have some long writings.
[18:05]
Here is a story of a character for something very powerful, something symbolic. You have to reference with their authorities, you know. And they were paying, you know, around things, their fairness in our life, in our heart. I couldn't help but think in talking to David how they were completely not what he did And that in itself was exactly successful. You know, completely new moment. And of course, you know, showing this, we will, we will ascribe the government field. Maybe you're incurring that.
[19:09]
We will give it significance. Because we will mark it as A powerful moment would not have to be forgotten. A powerful something. A powerful example of something. But the community is a little needed. You know the parent of Zaza, sometimes called the great world of death. It is challenging us to meet every most of us to realize this teaching that Martin Luther's train of preventing us inescapable work of spirituality. This is what is a fundamental energy.
[20:17]
life. This is the fundamental nature of our shared existence. And we practice all the way is to ask ourselves, what reminds me? What draws me close? without we can make contact, without entering into and being part of that inescapable rituality. And it's interesting when we bring out that question, that it's a fire Calamity? A punishment?
[21:19]
Or is it a precious gift? Are they difficult things in our lives, so-called difficult things in our lives? Are they something we should get kindly with God, fearful of God, resentful of God? Or are they something that in a strange way we should appreciate? This is asking me to meet through it. Then what is it that being such a person? And what brings it about? Is it discipline? Is it devotion? Is it wisdom? Is it concentration? Is it compassion?
[22:24]
And being the person that I am, how would I perform with that? That's a thought, that's a feeling that will keep turning me toward it. In the midst of all the requirement that demands and preoccupations. How can I turn back? towards something that automatically. This is the, this is turning towards that which we matured, we discover is more precious. So in the process of sin, we send that question, that cholesterol question.
[23:28]
It's the common of the human life. And that question is not, you know, something to intellectually pursue and come up with an answer. And where that's returning to the notion of control. Are you in control or do I I mean, figure it out, figure it out, figure it out. But it's too narrow to find for something that goes beyond time and thought. The mutuality of all this. And it leads to Well, first of the afternoon, I was having those phone calls. It was somewhat here in Christ. And I was, in between those phone calls, I was having other phone calls.
[24:31]
I was picking some category of intensity. You know, how to address this crisis, how to bring to that, need appropriate resources that you need it. How to help businessmen at this point. In some words, it didn't seem any different. I just felt like, okay, make this. Make this. And that had its own kind of or wish it to be in collaboration with about four other people.
[25:38]
Why would one use this code? Why would one call up communication? At one point, I was on the phone, and the person on the phone was speaking to people who were involved in trial case, to vision all around It's where we're steering, we're getting instant kind of commentary on what was going on. I joke to the person, I said, what we really need is a live webcam. We're going to watch it. Over the past couple of days, But I want to stop with me and kind of ring out. I want 25,000 critics each day.
[26:44]
Nothing's really short, but it's inestapable spirituality. Something really shows that life does not fit into tri-confinements. Control, right, control, good or bad, but that's a proven. Much as we like it to. Much as we like spiritual charlots. Okay, now I have to figure out. Now I know I will be safe, successful, happy, loud, you know. Well, of course they aren't all over the thing.
[27:44]
Of course they do. But to see the mind at once, to see the mind that exists in defining the world within those hundreds. We do not be fooled by it. We support the worship. And when we're fooled by it, the appearance of our life becomes afoot. They become disappointments. They become failures. We split something extraordinary matter.
[28:44]
It's important. And in common, we said, this thing is what we would call remodel, which is recently oiled for the true vinegar. The true vinegar's right and wrong, success and failure. So we did that. They simply oiled What is it to return to that? What is it to allow that to be an active force in our life? This is what we call ways to keep life. Even though this is our realm, it's still within our capacity, each and every one.
[29:54]
Still we have our crisis. Still we need each other's support and guidance. So look at the situation, and then we have our human response. And in early words, the human response is characterized something like this. We're trying not to use it for your I'm trying to put it to you with this project. If it misses something, there's three leads of truth.
[30:54]
And then when the traits are grasped, they create negative consequences. And when the traits are seen for what they are, they create other kinds of consequences. So one trick is to see in the world something that we desire. So there's something to walk in this sometimes known and sometimes unknown agenda of success, safety. wherever else you can be a tribute to a human life. One tribute is to characterize it as something to desire.
[32:00]
But when you start to see it, that ripens that mature in deciding to be appreciated. You should think about it in desiring it. We're already appreciating. That's why we desire it. I want it. I wouldn't want it if it wasn't worth wanting. So there's already the appreciating. But when we're fixing on the wanting, in some odd way, we know the appreciation of just experience. in the military to say, oh, I think we seem to do it. And seeing if there's something to appreciate. Part of me wanted to be in a guitar department.
[33:17]
I want it to be there. [...] It livens into appreciation. Appreciation livens into greatness. And in the second one, the second part is around discriminating mind. Discriminating mind, good or bad, whatever, or stupid. success or failure however you intend or don't intend to go through this country.
[34:37]
And of course each one of those binary systems with its two winners sanctification All sorts of wonderful stories. A betrayal of resentment. A betrayal of an enemy. Today is the 12th of July. It's part of the world where I grew up. That's a very significant difference. Because 310 years ago. And because of that, this is a significance.
[35:52]
People represented or identified in the other side of that battle have charged emotions. Powerful feelings. A mere 318 years later. Discrimination. how powerful we are in our discriminated faculty. And in discrimination, when discrimination sees itself, wisdom occurs. The way it appears. The activity of a small mind reveals that nature, seeing the activity of a small mind reveals the nature of the mind. There's so much going on.
[37:22]
How can you hold on to anything? How can you know anything's right or wrong? And it's neither side of courage. And it's emotional activities. And that generalize the stress. And it's positive side, but not the same. To see that there's so much going on, the grass at any particular value or perspective, the only one out of the game is another. Isn't, doesn't have a fundamental word of it. All of this happens.
[38:31]
It's great, inescapable virtuality of existence. Irina, there's a great trick. I think that it was one that I need to turn it more It's interesting to me, in one aerobatic manual, it talks about particulars, and then it takes each fruit, and it says, here's the kind of hut you should give someone with that fruit. So if someone tends to grasp it, it's a very plain hut. And it's a whole lot of the grass. If someone tends to discriminate, It's something soothing.
[39:34]
If someone tends to become anxious and confused, give them a neat and tidy order. So that we practice a way to administer to ourselves Back home today, I was trying to answer to myself as order invalid. How were I reading the books well input? the compassionate benefit of the Dharma to my traits of mind and heart.
[40:38]
Raise the key heart. In one way, growing up, going beyond authority, going beyond time, going beyond all discrimination. And then in the other way, completely practical, you know, how should I arrange my works? How should I relate to my own patterns of thought and treatment? How should I relate to other thoughts and things, particularly And then the children come together, you know. We don't want to make a distraction. And we have to consider something more than just locked into the details of our own subject world.
[41:52]
For these two need each other. Here in the we realize we actualize our kitchen, supposedly not. And this manifestation of our human life teaches us how to return. It teaches us what is the nature to happen existence. Porter told me a few times he came to Casa Harba. And he was going around and he was asking people to come. And he went to one of his students at Graham. And he said, and why would you come to Casa Harba?
[42:53]
Was that an actor? Graham said, firewalls seeking fire. We are not old, but the energy, the fire of Shuma's blood. And then we see the fire of human life so that it can teach us so that we can meet it, so that we can realize it's nature. It's our work to be fine.
[43:54]
Whatever the fire does, whatever the fire, whatever it does to us, and the forests, and the plants, and the trees. It's a teaching. Maybe it's a teaching that makes us sigh with relief. I mean, we need to do a little pride ourselves. I can be great. I mean, there's a teaching that fills us with the syrup. Everything gets burned down. Four years of renovation and construction kept to ash. We're finding confidence in a real human life. Even though it's our deep, deep pulse, a human life is not about success. or achievement.
[45:18]
That was the end of peace. Sometimes she spent the whole year crafting a single stop. Rather than success or achievement, but after the meeting, in which perseverance don't have it quite. So conveying mind lacks something in its soft, sound, anxiety about, to hang while we walk, to see if being sick, congregate, ritual, and allow a courage, a compassion, to enter the world.
[46:23]
To enter the world. This is a great teaching of shot and running. It's perfect. It's like a flower. And it would make out whatever it would make out. So please, enjoy your own voyage with this flower.
[47:08]
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