skillful means skillful means yesterday I said the suffering suffering pleasure or delusions exists that's why we have to we have we suffer from them and as one of a mountain mountain a mountain mountaineer mountaineers said the mountain exists there that's why I climbed the mountains to exist is something beyond our cognitions our cognitions

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then for instance if you are lost if you lose your pencils or a hat or book or some small stuff you have to looking for you have to look for where it is sometimes you ask someone do you know where it is no one knows I don't know where it is you have to every day you have to look for it at that time and and then after a long long search you you will look for it that time you said here it is here it is think the explanation saying here it is I think I have the two means

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two type of means one is the conception which advances in thought here it is the moment when when you say here it is it is already conceptions you know what you think what you what you get what you get the existence of pencil you said here it is but pencil itself exists already before regardless of your idea saying here it is this is the I think real existence of pencil but we have to as long as we are human being we have to contemplate the existence of pencil in domain of cognition cognition as long as you can

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realize it you can realize it saying here it is you have to discuss what it is where it is I think this is the what to say the skillful means taught by a buddha according to buddhism it is the skillful means are the explained by 12 chains of causation or emptiness or conditioned origination or such and such um uh but you know the this uh

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um I think you know the many things there is there are many things so many things to exist there exist so many things that you think well you can you cannot you cannot accept all of them you know because they exist uh the you know all things which exist probably very often create uh make men create troubles so you think I can't I can't accept such an existence you know such all all things exist but when you when you think when you think everything exists is already the uh sort of conception sort of conception what you think

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uh I think uh the skillful means taught by a buddha is seems seems to be easy easy to understand but uh it is not so easy to understand actually because always we we think the uh skillful skillful means is real truth the existence of real truth and existence of the truth uh the skillful means uh skill means uh enable man uh to uh to uh lead to uh the nirvana or to uh realizing the truth

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for instance you know the a cat a cat will uh have a very interesting uh curiosity uh in himself uh he will poke his head into every nook and cranny of of a house and if he go out of door he uh look he he will poke his head into the into the hole on the ground what what is in it uh in an attempt to in an attempt to satisfy his curiosity then you you look at yeah when you look at this cat look at him you know where you know

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uh you know what what what is in it so you say oh don't oh oh oh don't don't go there if you go if you go you will have a trouble don't go there but cat doesn't care you know doesn't care maybe cats tell you that's none of your business yes keep your breath to keep to cool your uh to cool your leave me alone and maybe uh he is so willing to willing to uh look at uh look at the hole what is in it uh actually he doesn't care what is in it just curiosity curiosity impel him to go there

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but human but you know already you know already what it is no so you this uh this way this way to him from going there or don't go there then you explain you tell him uh such and such taking uh taking a good example you know uh a few uh for instance a few few days ago your friend uh your friend went to there went there and look at uh look at the hole do you know do you know what what what it will happen actually a skunk appeared and be careful but he doesn't care if he is willing to go there but the moment when he poke his head into the hole skunk happen to appear

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skunk spread or he spread him with the vice perfume i'm very sorry for him you know but uh curiosity maybe uh uh cat the cat tell you are that that's none of your business because he believe he believes my business my business is the just curiosity curiosity is my business the same is to be said to human being that's none of your business this is my visit this is my curiosity the curiosity is always based on ignorance you know so the buddha already knows no but don't go there do you know what what what will happen

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buddha already know then buddha explain explain a skunk exists already but the ignorance don't know that doesn't know that so uh buddha always or or don't go there always tell you buddha tell you always in in this way in that way but the ignorance what human being possess impel you to to poke your head into the hole on the ground what it what's in it this is troubles this is troubles then you can you know after looking at after poking out poking your head into the hole then you uh you are aware of what what is what is in it

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it's too late it's too late the moment when you look at it and uh something happens it's too late already because skunk already exists before whether you go there or not uh uh then you know the uh uh maybe uh you are used uh you know you cannot see you cannot see uh you cannot see the cat you cannot ignore you cannot ignore the uh what uh what uh what's the cat what's the cat

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is going on uh doing is doing then you try to you try to give a fish born here is a fish born but uh the cat the cat of late uh is brought up in in a luxury you know so uh he he take he take no notice you know not no notice of uh fish born he he is always interesting in eating the cat's food you know uh um then a nemesis then the cat's the his curiosity impel him to go to look at look at the hole what is in it but you cannot you cannot ignore it ignore him ignore what he is trying to do

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then you try you try take him and call it you know don't go there this is bodhisattva practice when you understand the skillful means uh skillful means you know the buddha explains the what what human being is uh what the hole is what is in the hole this is the according to the various way various directions and explanations uh then when you understand when you understand them as a truth you know the you cannot you can't ignore what the cat is trying to do

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maybe you you persuade him persuade him uh going there to go there to go there oh no not to go there and this uh this uh dissuade dissuade him from going there um uh explaining explaining what what is in in the hole on the ground and uh oh this is this is you know the at that time you were like you seems buddha you know you seems buddha for for the cats but cats doesn't care but you are you are buddha then you explain you you explain it in a various way as uh skillful means by skillful means

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but it is not enough for you you know it is not enough uh to do to do uh completely uh to help the cats completely saying then next moment you hold it you hold him and dissuade dissuading uh in order to dissuade dissuade him from going there uh this what you what you cannot what you cannot help or holding him is the bodhisattva's practice bodhisattva's practice the bodhisattva's practice is uh the um uh revealed revealed when you understand when you understand the what the various phases of

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human life are according to the uh skillful means taught by buddha uh then in this point the skillful means even though buddha explains human life is life is suffering this teaching it doesn't is not is not to uh to lead the human to uh uh to attach to attach uh cessation of existence you know when you when you listen to the uh teaching buddha's teaching the life is life is suffering so you don't you don't like the life and suffering so i want to go the any place any

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place uh any place else to find to find a better uh better situation i think of the such a the teaching such a teaching explaining suffering and pleasures the emptiness or principle of emptiness or conditions originations some such and such it's not it's not the lead human being uh to uh to uh to attach the cessation of uh cessation of the existence to escape escape from the human being suffering uh the the purpose of the skillful means taught by buddha is

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uh to understand to understand a complete way of what human being is um uh for this of for this the we need the this the skillful means the purpose of skillful means is uh to be to be rousing being rousing being to bodhisattvas bodhisattvas uh because all of us bodhisattvas as long as we are human being we have to do as a bodhisattvas bodhisattvas practice uh otherwise it is impossible to get the peacefulness in this world

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then the skillful means the suffering a principle of suffering or pleasure or the emptiness or certain such is to be rousing being to bodhisattvas uh bodhisattvas is uh bodhisattvas identical with the yourself then then the yesterday as i said last night we have to wherever you go you have to you have to accept your life whatever happens around you

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because everything exists everything exists already uh accept accept conception accept the existence what you can understand what you can realize through through your uh conception through your through the function of cognition of course we have we have to understand the existence of all beings through these functions of cognitions but it is not true true understanding true understanding is everything exists already beyond your cognitions it means as the mountaineers said i want i climbed the mountain because the mountain exists there it means that he

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uh he is delight and delightful uh delight uh for and uh uh just climbing climbing the mountains with the unity with unity you know with becoming one with acting with acting in harmony with you know the mountain itself there is no sense of no sense of pride or competitions just climb just climb the mountains uh when he uh when he feel when he perceive a pleasure and delight joy

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through the experience of just climbing he can he is willing to accept uh any kind of any kind of uh hard trainings any kind of hard training any kind of suffering which emanates from the hard training because even hard training is to bring him to perceive delight and joy for him then the mountaineer says mountaineer says just climb because the mountain exists there uh your head your heart is already exist but human beings unfortunately human being

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is liable to forget where hat is where your head is then you have to looking for it where it is as long as you have to you have to look for where it is your head your head your pencil where it is uh we have to research for the existence of all being all beings uh in the domain of cognitions even though you can't understand what it is through in the domain of cognition it is not real understanding real understanding is to consist in to consist in uh the reality reality actual fact

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the consistent the full elements full element of completeness whatever you do this is this is a very important attitude of life the to create in from the viewpoint of bodhism we have to create the human life your own life to create your life is to be to exist uh to to exist uh in your own life through and through um okay next uh uh you have a question if you have a question please

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hi sometimes you say that the mountaineer wants to climb the mountain just because it exists but sometimes it seems like the buddha says um yes maybe uh if the storm will come buddha already knows when the storm will come so at that time don't go there or don't go there but our the cognition our cognition don't know exactly when the storm will come and at that time when the buddha knows already when the storm will come you know the buddha says take the buddha tell you don't go there don't go climb mountain

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uh this is the uh this is the uh skillful means to be given to give to be given to the human being then uh mountaineer you know mountaineer uh research for the condition of mountains mountain through the in the domain of his cognition in various way because this is uh you know the mountaineers mountaineer um have to have to exist in in the domain of skillful means you know the storms or snows you know or steep mountains everything then we have to research before going there you know

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uh as long as we we can uh we can recognize the existence of mountains in the domain of your cognition we have to research for it before going there uh and yet you know human being human being very often mistake mistake ah sorry but to tell the truth strictly speaking mistake is not a real mistake that's like a mistake is like a stumbling over over a stone so the to stumble to stumble over stone is also important for human being if you go if you go smoothly without jigsaw you know without stumbling over a stone

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your life is not real your life uh it's if if your life is like this you know your life see seems of a grass a grass growing in the shadow very thin no energies okay okay uh last night i don't understand why the monk should clean his bowl oh yes uh you know you if you read the the book of buddhism particularly zen story

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um you know the the ebony buddha ebony buddha uh is not explained is not to explain uh enter according to a certain type this is buddha then the buddhist story doesn't tell you in that way the buddha is now if you try to the book brief record or a gate to escape any kind of zen stories that's okay maybe you will find lots of lots of kind and many kinds of buddhas many kinds of you know the as has been said uh before you know if you say this is buddha i am beginner i am green horn for students so please tell me what buddha is

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please tell me how to do for students of zen buddhism you know then you try to explain what buddha is what zen is think it is it is it has nothing to do with your daily life you know the it seems to me that uh you explain uh uh you know the you explain uh you explain uh you know what uh what is what is in the hall to the cats cats doesn't kids then just cats doesn't care just he is willing to he all he is to do is to be willing to go there and look at it what what is in it this is this is uh cats business

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so cats tell you that's none of your business then you try to explain what buddha is what zane is i think i think it's uh it has nothing to do with the life situation which is which is uh living uh alive uh yesterday as yesterday's uh i said as i said yesterday you know when you confront the death if you confront the death you cannot you cannot explain what death is no i want to escape for the escape from the death but you can't you can't because you are already you know uh already consisting in the medicine of the death so why do you can't explain what you can't explain what death is

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uh your attitude at that time is to look at the death from the out uh look on look from that's a death so that time it is impossible to understand what the death is now you you you suffer day after days you know in any ways so you said you said to yourself well i don't like the suffering get out of here get out of here say get out of here but something doesn't care for something is something tell you that's none of your business but you have to you cannot help you know telling him get out of here

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but the suffering is still here then between the suffering and you what will happen if there is there is nothing to leave but accepting something with silence i can't be it can be helped can be helped then you accept there is nothing to to leave but just accept it just accept uh when you accept it you know uh i think there is uh there is just silence after after screaming after trying you know the uh uh the behind behind the struggling behind screaming behind crying

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there is nothing but the silence the existence of silence that's all that time you can accept it uh then the the joshu uh the master says uh please go go to a wash your ball wash your ball before he said before he said in this way do you finish do you finish the supper or he said yes do you wash the ball this is very real you know the vivid bullet uh oh it's a chaos

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hmm uh the particularly uh buddhist practice uh put the emphasis emphasis on the attitude of life attitude of life uh create creation creation creation of the attitude of life not creation not creating the result resulting life uh the attitude just attitude attitude now you you confront the death confront the death how to live the most important things is

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your own attitude how to how to confront how to accept how to confront how to look at it uh but your mind in your mind in your heart you know you said you said to yourself get out of here regardless of your idea you know saying get out of here the something still there then if so if so the attitude of life is nothing but accepting accepting it it means how to create your attitude how to create your attitude moment after moment this is uh this is when you understand this this is buddha this is poor

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this is living buddhas living not uh the buddha not buddha as conceptions which you can go through in series of your conception certain such uh oh charlie putra yeah uh uh charlie putra always uh think always thought uh you know the uh skillful means taught by buddha uh no no excuse me the he he uh uh you know the he took it into his head that uh

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skillful means skillful means uh were uh the identical with the truth itself truth itself you know then that's why you know the four charlie putra you know the uh actually to tell the truth he he has to he has to experience you know in various way as suffering as delusions you know as the enlightenment many kind of uh type you know phases then he for him it is it was very difficult for him to understand what the truth is then now when the buddha says life is something then he thinks yes that's right life is

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life is suffering but it is for now what the buddha want to tell him life is a suffering is is not real truth it's not real truth the eight x this explanation uh leads to charlie putra to enter the nirvana or truth enter to uh the the understanding better um the truth uh you know the in our day in daily life we think the same is to be said to our daily life it is very difficult to believe in this world is the buddha's world it is very difficult but it's buddha's world

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even though the more even though you would you look for where buddha's world is day in and day out it's impossible to find it because your daily life is covered you think you think your daily life is just covered with suffering or delusions of course buddha explained that life is suffering life is based on the ignorance but it is it is just a skillful means in order to lead human beings to enter the true understanding what it is this week we've been sitting here is this skillful means or is this truth itself

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is uh yes uh uh skillful skillful means is the uh able devices and food devices uh then the the buddha for instance you know but you want to explain a buddha that there is a very uh lots of type of human being exist here then when you try to explain the buddha what the buddha is to me you have to you have you will take a some some course you know a certain course uh in order to make me understand what buddha is but when you uh want to explain about it about it to others

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you have to take another another course in order to make her understanding better what buddha is because every each person has different characters different ideas you know every people each each uh growing up in different education with different circumstances uh then the buddha is always changing no uh buddha always uh revealed according to the individuals this is a skillful means skillful means uh

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uh it's not it's not the real truth it's not real truth uh for instance if you want to uh cross the rivers you know then the the some person uh the other shore is near near very near so near so cheer up and cross cross the river but actually the the other shore is not so close the more you cross the river you you walk now the other shore is going away from you but sometimes buddha buddha have to say that way this way please cheer up don't discourage go ahead to walk simple step

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this is uh this is uh skillful means is my delusion my false ideas itself is that some skillful means of the buddha it's my delusion some skillful means of the buddha uh is your delusion all these ideas i have oh uh you mean uh is your delusion it's my ignorance part of the skillful means of the buddha of the buddha of the buddha uh uh yes uh you know the uh you know the the buddha is buddha is to understand completely what your delusion is

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okay but in your daily life the the delusion what you think what you understand uh make you make you to go to go and look at what is in it what is what is in the whole you know to satisfy you know in an attempt to satisfy your ignorance this is uh this is the ignorance what you think what you understand uh but the buddha is uh buddha is you know uh what you uh the buddha is to understand uh completely what your what your ignorance is okay then the buddha explains about your ignorance ignorance is ignorance is first first 12 chains of causation

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and ignorance is based on based on the human life uh so please watch your ignorance carefully but sometimes your ignorance tell the buddha that's none of your business you go you are willing to go the new way new way of your life you know buddha life is this way buddha life is to go this way but your ignorance ignorance tell you please go this way trouble is trouble is that skunk spread spread you with vice perfume so wow uh then uh in terms of buddha the ignorance is not uh it's not the ignorance what you think

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you know the ignorance is uh ignorance is uh to make you uh uh enter to lead you to lead you uh enter the uh true understanding what your life but uh your life okay so speakers of music [...] which one music yes music i know i know understand what's the most

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it's always in my mind i don't know how to get rid of it like i don't know what i shouldn't mind but all day long i can't stop it and what are you doing or what you what you want doing what do you want to do in domain of such a music distract oh your mind is just distracted but the or what do you what do you want to do in the domain of distracting your mind concentrate please take care of your the distracting your mind okay huh

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make it funny i don't think i understand you don't think i understand hahaha if i say you can there is a certain way to uh get rid of your uh you know the obstacle your noises which is raising in your mind uh i think you you think yes i understand but there is no way no way to explain it clearly in that way you know the uh uh you know i think it is all right there is uh there are many kind of places you know

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you can't there are not many choices many choices then when you want to go better place uh to uh make your mind calm you know uh but i don't know whether uh that place is that place is questionable questionable words in the questionable words to make your mind calm um i don't know exactly even because you know the this book here is this book you know this book is not a suitable place to put it here then you move this from here to there and you think this is very good place for

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for this book but the original original problem is uh you can't you can't solve you can't solve original problem you know the problem is uh the the this book problem is within this book in other words problem is within yourself you can move you can move to every place what you like but wherever you go wherever you move uh what you want that's up to you but you don't forget that you always carry your original problem original problem the original problem is nothing but accepted

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accepted if you go here you have to look at your original problem and accept it but wherever you go you know the just by moving to moving to any place else what you think what you think it will be better place it's not uh it's not the model of solution it's not model solution you know concerned with your original problem original problem is follow you wherever you go then you can sit meditation during sitting meditation your mind is raising in your mind in yourself what do you do you know where are you going where are you going

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there is some a better place to find to find in order to make your mind calm or to in order to get rid of your problem i don't think so if you find your problem if you find a problem at the time of sitting meditation you should accept it it's like it seems to me that uh you uh you confront the death itself the same is to be said to the confronting the thing the real fact what you uh real fact that you confront the death itself you can't escape from the death death is the original problem for you at that time

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you can't escape it and you can't stay here also you can't move an inch you can't move what do you do what do you do this is what do you do is so real questions and real answers what do you do even though you can find various way various explanation you know yes uh i have some good ideas to get rid of the death please come in i think so then you go there some other person said to you come on come on this here come on this come on this way it is better place rather than that but i don't think so then you go there now last year this college that's all wherever you go the same you follow the same

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because the original problem and the death is always following you wherever you go then you can't move you can't move every inch an inch from the ground what you what you are standing on you can't really you can't then what do you do what do you do this is important then you said you said to yourself what should i do please tell me this is question this is question don't you think so the question is just silent like a dogen zenji which he experienced in china what's for what's the use of saving the all sentient beings what's the use of understanding what buddha is

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he can't he can't explain uh then uh it is uh it is very good to find your mind which is raising in yourself during sitting meditation that's pretty good so it is not necessary to get rid of your mind noises uh if you if you find it the more you find it such a situation of your mind the more you should try to try to make every effort to sit meditation that's all with silence that's all it is not no better way no better way to get rid of rather than uh to accept your actual fact when when you uh at every moment when you in account encounters

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okay There upon the banner of Shaliputra, thus spoke to the Lord, My doubt is gone, O Lord,

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My uncertainty is at the end on hearing from the mouth of the Lord. My destiny to supreme enlightenment. But these twelve hundred self-controlled disciples, O Lord, who have been placed by Thee on the stage of Syksos, have been thus admonished and instructed. My preaching of the law, O monks, comes to this, that deliverance from birth, decryptitude, disease and death is inseparably connected with Nirvana. And these two thousand monks, O Lord, Thy disciples, both those who are still untrained

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and adepts, who all of them are free from false views about the soul, false views about existence, false views about cessation of existence, free in short from all false views, who are fancying themselves to have reached the stage of Nirvana, these have fallen into uncertainty by hearing from the mouth of the Lord this law which they had not heard before. Therefore, O Lord, please speak to these monks to dispel their uneasiness, so that the four classes of the audience, O Lord, may be relieved from their doubt

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and perplexity. In this speech of the venerable Shaliputra, the Lord said to him the following, Have I not told thee before, Shaliputra, that the Tathagata preaches the law by evil devices, with varying directions and indications, fundamental ideas, interpretations, with due regard to the different dispositions and inclinations of creatures, whose temperaments are so various? All his preachings of the law have no other end but supreme and perfect enlightenment, for which he is rousing beings to the Bodhisattva course.

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But, Shaliputra, to elucidate this matter more at large, I will tell thee a parable, for men of good understanding will generally, readily enough, catch the meaning of what is taught under the shape of a parable. It's, uh, what, uh, uh, what, uh, what discuss between the Shaliputra and Buddha? Uh, I think, uh, last night, um, I said the, the situation of one of her students who, uh, who is confronting the death,

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her death. As, uh, she had, she had said, uh, in her, in her, uh, poems, day, day in and day out, she just listened to noises, uh, which emerges from the only monologue of her pain coming from her disease. But, in a few minutes, she said, in a few minutes behind it, just silence, just silence. Um, uh, um, the human being, uh, all of us, as a human being, uh, exist just in the intersection

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and sections of time and space, uh, which means just in the midst of the world, uh, contradictory world. Uh, um, I think if you, uh, if you, uh, I think you, uh, realize, uh, yourself, in how situation you exist in everyday life. Particularly, if you confront the suffering, uh, uh, uh, you want to escape from it on one hand, but on the other, you cannot, you cannot escape from it.

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Besides, the suffering doesn't move, move out to any place else. The suffering, uh, remain existing, existing within yourself. Wherever you go, it follows you. Um, at that time, uh, there is nothing to leave but, uh, the screaming, screaming and crying, and saying, saying, such as, uh, saying, help, please help. Well, what shall I do? On this occasion, if you, uh, look at your inside, inner mind, uh, on one side, on one hand, you think, you think I gave up anything at all.

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Uh, the other side, on the other, you think, nevertheless, I can't give up. Something should do that, should, uh, should be done. Then, your, uh, life situation, life, actual life situation, uh, exists just in the middle of the contradictory world. You cannot go, you cannot go to any place else, except, except your own reality, which you are in, you are situated in. Uh, at that time, uh, I think you will notice that how you feel.

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The behind the screaming and crying, I think there is nothing but, nothing to leave but the silence, the existence of silence, and acceptance of your existence. Uh, uh, so as the one of students, uh, said in her poem, uh, on the other, on one hand, she, she realized, she, uh, her, she realized, uh, uh, the monologue of pain is ranging herself. Uh, but, and also, that, uh, she cannot move an inch, except her own reality.

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At that time, as she said, behind it, just silence exists. Um, I think this is, uh, real truth. Um, uh, but this silence is not merely silence. If you, if you sit on the chairs of silence, you know, it is, it is not enough to understand what you are, who you are, because everybody can sit on the tranquility, everybody can sit on the chairs of the tranquility, on, uh, the chairs of the silence, on the chairs of understanding transiency.

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And actually, every time when you encounter, you know, the various phases of human life, you can understand what a human being is. Uh, then, through your experience, I think you can understand the transiency of this world. Um, but, uh, the understanding, your understanding of transiency is not enough to, uh, to improve, to elevate your life, uh, toward the direction of the future period. If you sit, if you stay, if you stay at the present, it is all right, it is all right to,

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uh, sit on the chairs of silence or tranquility, you know, all of you are now in Tash Hara, surrounded by tranquility, then you are very happy, you perceive that you are really happy. Uh, but understanding, understanding tranquility or silence is not enough to elevate, to elevate your life. Uh, you have to make your silence, make your tranquility, uh, uh, give a form, give a form, uh, uh, no, uh, to put, uh, I want to say, uh, uh, uh, you have to, uh, develop, you have to develop silence and tranquility, the understanding silence

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and tranquility, uh, to, uh, higher level, to higher level, means, uh, practical, the actual practice, actual practice, in other words, vivid life, vivid life. Um, then the, the skillful means, the told by Buddha, uh, as the Buddha says, uh, it's not for the sake of, the sake of, uh, uh, sake of cultivating, cultivating a person who go live in seclusion. Of course, Buddha explained in detail what human being is, according to the

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various, uh, teachings. Then as the Buddha says in this sutras, have I not told thee that, no, excuse me, the Buddha teaches, Buddha preaches the law by every devices, varying directions and indications, fundamental ideas, interpretations with due regard to the different dispositions and inclinations of creatures whose temperaments are so various. Then sometimes Buddha says, life human being is suffering. Uh, uh, life is, life is infatuation, infatuation, uh, uh, fluctuation,

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like a fluctuation between the hopes and fears. Sometimes Buddha says, life is based on the twelve chains of causation. Uh, whatever, no matter how Buddha explains, explains, uh, the, about the human being, according to his way. Uh, the, its purpose is not to cultivate a person, uh, who want to, who want to escape from the, his own daily life. Uh, and also go to, who goes to live in seclusion. Uh,

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but, uh, most people, uh, when most people listen to the Buddha's teaching, according to the twelve chains of causation, or life is suffering, or such and such. Uh, then, they, they are, uh, they think, they think, uh, they, uh, they experience, they have experienced, uh, enlightenment. Because they understand, they have understood, they, uh, better, uh, uh, what, uh, what human being is. Then the moment when, when they listen to Buddha's teaching, uh, they are, uh, facing, they are fancying themselves, this sutra says, uh, Shaliputra says.

[82:18]

The most people are fancying, fancying themselves, uh, to have reached the stage of nirvana. Uh, you know, when I was, uh, a college student, uh, I studied Buddhist psychology, particularly the subject of, uh, seventh mind. Uh, seventh mind is, uh, the, uh, original evil mind, original evil mind. Uh, then, the, I took, I took, uh, uh, you know, the, uh, I took, uh, about one year, uh, about one year to finish writing the papers

[83:22]

on the subject of, uh, seventh, uh, seventh mind. Then the moment when I finished writing the, uh, this, uh, papers, I thought, I got it. That's it. I was very thrilled with pleasure and delight. You know, wonderful, everything very clear and happens, you know, because I think, I, I thought, you know, I, I understood, I understood everything. I understood what Buddha explained, what Buddhism explained. Then I, I was very happy, really happy. And after the, uh, after examining, examining, you know, after, uh, what would you say, an interview. After having an interview with, uh, the teacher, uh, uh, in order to discuss about

[84:34]

my, uh, papers. At that time, I discouraged completely. Oh, oh, oh, no, no, I didn't understand really what Buddhism was. They, uh, completely I discouraged. The, uh, what, what I thought, what I thought I was very happy. I understood the everything, what everything of Buddhism is, was just my ideas. Uh, of course, of course, the, what I understood is, uh, really, you know, the very good understand, my good, uh, my good understanding, you know, of Buddhism. Uh, even though, uh, when the Buddha, Buddha watch me, you know,

[85:35]

okay, your understanding is good, you know. I think, I think Buddha says, I hope. Uh, but, you know, the question is, you know, what I thought, uh, I think, uh, what I think, you know, the question is within the, within the, you know, the, uh, within the, uh, the attitude of my life. What I thought, I thought I understood, understood everything of Buddhism, you know, through the experience of writing the papers. This is questionable. Because the, even though, uh, even though you, I heard, I work very hard in order to finish the papers. Uh, of course, I understood, of course, I understood what the seven minds was at that time.

[86:45]

But it is not, it was not, uh, you know, the real true understanding of my vivid life, vivid life. Uh, just my understanding in my, in my brain. Uh, because this is like, uh, because, you know, the, uh, strictly speaking, when I reflected upon myself, uh, when I looked over my past life, uh, I couldn't, I couldn't show, I couldn't show, uh, I couldn't show, you know, my understanding, uh, extended into the everyday life. You know, my understanding of seventh mind

[87:48]

extended into, uh, my everyday life. I couldn't. Uh, then, of course, Buddha, uh, explains, explains what the seventh mind is, uh, in the Buddhist, Buddhist psychology. This explanation is, uh, just a skillful, skillful means in order to, uh, make a human being to understand better. Uh, but, uh, in my case, I was, I was, uh, I was like, uh, these peoples what, who occurs in this supras, you know, fancying, fancying myself, uh, to get, to get enlightenment, to get nirvana,

[88:52]

but it is not nirvana. Uh, then, even though you can understand the transience in this world, uh, through the experience, or even though you understand, uh, peaceful through the experience of, uh, experience of, uh, Zen meditation in Tathagata, uh, if you, if you stay, if you stay, if you, if you cannot, if you cannot show what the, what the silence is, what the tranquility is, extended into your daily life, uh, it is such an understanding of silence or tranquility or enlightenment is not enough to

[90:03]

improve your life, to improve your life.

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