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Side B - unexpected talk - Katagiri Roshi?

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Embryo So, Embryo of the Tathagata You know pretty well, Embryo Embryo is the first, the very first state of pure existence in this world the moment when a baby is conceived in mother's womb that is called Embryo Embryo is exactly supported, educated, fed by Tathagata or coming in thusness

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Coming in thusness means that which remains in unknown in unknown state because thusness, thusness means universe, universal or rhythm of universe or rhythm of life open to everything not only human life there is one rhythm of life in this life, in this world So, before you think before you think anyway, there is great, huge life which constantly remains unknown by anyone This is the moment

[02:07]

when a child is conceived in the mother's womb One of ancient Buddhist scriptures mentions about this moment when a child is conceived that moment consists of three things One is the length of life The second, warmness Third, consciousness The moment, moment is moment It's called the shortest period of time That is called moment The moment when you are conceived

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in mother's womb that moment already consists of three points The length of life Warmness Consciousness The length of life means the span of life means the moment what you are conceived right now, right here consists already of many lives which you did in the past communicating with many beings many peoples, saints, friends trees, birds, countless beings you never know you never know that is length of life length of life, span of life

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in this moment so that moment is a moment which you have never known but it is already something deep so that's why the moment you sit here is very important for us the moment you sit down here to listen Buddha's teaching or sit down here to study or sit down there while they talk with the people is moment which is unknown but it has many things rich, very rich it is very rich because it has length of life

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which you have never known in the Lotus Sutra the Buddha mentions about the result of your human body which exists now and by what you can practice Buddha way or you can live your life with your body and mind because you did many things you met many beings and you respected many beings with true heart you served many beings you served Buddhas many Buddhas in the past that's why this is the result of your human body right now

[06:24]

this is the moment within the moment that result exists that's why Buddha mentions about this moment consists of the length of life next, that length of life is not something abstract we can think with your head but it is something alive within the moment that is your body it's warmness we say warmness it is not abstract it is not metaphysical ideas if it is metaphysical it's not warm it's very cold it is not the metaphysical idea is just the idea without the blood circulation but it is

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really something warm because it is alive with your body within the moment when the child is conceived before you consciously it's there that is the warmness the moment you are conceived is anyway pretty important because it has the length of life and also it is not abstract it is not philosophical idea it is something warm which is really alive within your body and mind next it is also not only something warm you can feel but also you can understand it with human consciousness that's why one of the three the elements

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is consciousness so you cannot blind your mind so you should use with your mind what the length of life and what is warmness what is a human body we can think still we can think it's not just sentimental understanding it is not romantic it is romantic because it has the length of life from generation to generation it's kind of sentimental romantic unknown mysterious but it's warm because it is alive with you from day to day and also it is it is possible for us

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to know it through our body and mind it is not necessarily always mysterious or mist cloudy it is possible that's why there are many sciences biology physics physiology many things particularly in modern age physiology in terms of physiology or biology you can really see this origin of your birth how the origin of your birth is beginning we can see it according to biology maybe you can trace back to origin of life origin of life

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so this is the moment you are you are conceived that is anyway the length of life warmness and consciousness but this is they exist right in the middle of the moment before you are conscious of all that's why we say tatarata tatarata is coming in thusness thusness means coming just coming in coming and going in thusness naturally before you think or before regardless of whether you like or not something is coming something is here that's why we say tatarata tatarata is one of the Buddha's name

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quality of Buddha's name who attained who realized something true something true we call Buddha one of the Buddha's name is also tatarata because Buddha always exists and help us always just coming in thusness coming and going as natural he can without making a lot of troubles anyway just like a stream of water so that's why tatarata garbha is anyway storage the store consciousness of tatarata this is this is embryo embryo the beginning origin of your birth is embryo right in the middle of

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moment when you are conceived in the mother's womb but that moment is moment but it's very deep very deep as mountains oceans and it's very high as mountains that's why it is unknown it is that which is unknown to anyone but it's there but it's there with you so through this body the tatarata idea of tatarata garbha is to teach us that let's understand our human body let's know let's know let us know let's know human body in terms of

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biology physics and other sciences religiously and moral sense in many ways but still there are lots of things unknown it is unknown but it is exist with you kind of say rumbling of ocean do you understand rumbling rumbling of oceans far from far from us kind of rumbling of oceans in San Francisco you can hear the sound of the boat in at night sometimes just little sound sometimes you can hear

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the sound of ocean it is not clear from where it comes but you can listen when the situation when your mind and body is very calm circumstances are very calm you can listen to the sound of the ocean sound of the boat but we don't know from where it comes it is very missed very vague but a sound you can listen to you can hear so it is something unknown but that unknown is kind of totality it's already unknown but it's there it's there it's something exist existent and helping your life so

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let's understanding human life in terms of physics psychology or philosophy any sciences it's alright but still there are lots of things we don't know so let's pay attention to human body human body which is unknown to anyone unknown to any sciences so that is that is kind of the sound hearing the sound of the ocean rumbling of ocean from far distance far distance and then that sound of ocean anyway echo your body and then your body really create sound echo that sound anyway hit your body

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and your body anyway accept this sound and create more sound kind of want to say if you in the mountain if you seeing the sun you can hear the echo but that echo we don't know from where it comes anyway but echo is there we don't know how far it goes and from where it returns we don't know but anyway sound when you hear the sound anyway it's that sound comes around and return to somewhere so that anyway want to say

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sound hit your body and come it it goes up again you understand what I mean that means you can understand human body in terms of sciences but on the other hand you can see human body how deep how sublime it is that time human body empty light in other words help your body very much you can take care of your human body very much appreciate your human body to exist right now but if you always understand human body just in terms of sciences well if you understand human body in terms of

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science certain sciences you appreciate it but if you don't you don't appreciate if you become sick and there is no guarantee to survive you don't appreciate but if you understand human body in a deep sense including known state of the state of the knowing knowing state of any way existence human body and also unknown state of human body that time you really appreciate human body that is called Tathagata Garbha Tathagata Tathagata then Buddha Shakyamuni talk about this moment when a baby is conceived so called Koram

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Koraram which means one pointedness simple speaking one moment so one moment consists of three things I mentioned this is origin of your existence origin so origin of existence is pretty rich very deep beyond your consciousness and then Buddha Shakyamuni talks about this moment and also in related with this moment when a baby is conceived Buddha mentions about Zen meditation means one pointedness Samadhi in Zen meditation so sit in Zazen so called

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with Samadhi concentration right now right here is same as returning to the origin of your birth moment that is called one pointedness that's why sitting in Zazen is not only sitting in Zazen you want to know of course we can explain it but practically if you sit down there something you can know but something you cannot know because you completely return to origin of the birth that is a moment so that's why intellectually you don't understand but if you sit down exactly with calm

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mind and with concentration so called Samadhi one pointedness you feel something you feel something something hit your heart but you don't know what it is because it is a truth it is a truth which comes in thusness which remains unknown when it is when it is something very true very pure it is unknown it is unknown but it exists it's not mysterious it exists right now just take a look at the wonderful masterpiece of the picture painted by famous painter even though you don't have

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any idea of the painting the moment when you stand up in front of the masterpiece of the picture you are captured by beauty of the picture but you don't know what it is completely unknown if somebody asks you what is the beauty of this picture where is it it is in front on right on the picture or behind the picture or right with the picture or right in the picture or right on the picture or right out of the picture or right within whatever you say it doesn't hit your mind we don't know but the moment when you stand up there you are completely captured by the

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beauty of the picture you can feel people's talking you can feel people's dancing in the party just the picture you can feel talking of the trees with the people completely harmonious there you can feel the mood of the party painted on the canvas it is really true that is called beauty really but if you

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try to know what it is with your consciousness you don't know what it is so you become very skeptical in the process of skepticism still you cannot forget that beauty attraction of the beauty impression of the beauty so still you want to sit down so constantly if you want to know the evaluation of the famous painting anyway constantly you have to stand up and look at it if you want to know real picture of your human body and mind how sublime it is anyway constantly you right now with one pointed neck then something happens just like turn on the switch of the TV set

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whole world comes into one screen so you can know something but you don't know what is going on this is total picture of your body and mind. That's why we say Tathagatagarbha. Then Buddha anyway mentions about that human body simultaneously that is Zazen, sitting in meditation. That's why how important sitting in meditation is. But in usual everyday life we are pretty greedy, constantly try to know

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everything clear and understand everything. But it's very difficult to do that. Of course you should know, but we are too greedy to know everything. The more you become greedy, the more you are confused. You don't know what's going on there. But I don't mean you should stop knowing, trying to know. You should know it. You should remember, your life is pretty rich, very deep. Your whole life you have to continue to know. So that's why many people are very excited to know constantly day by day.

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The more you can see something unknown, the people try to know more. That is really exciting. That's what people do every day like this. But on the other hand, if you continue to do this, this way, if you continue to live your life like this, in the basis of your life there is always something restless. The more you become, you become succeed, successful in doing something, the more you can see something restless in the bottom of your life. That's why more create human trouble. So we should know the two ways. Today I mentioned, let's see human life very deeply into human body and human mind. Let's see deeply,

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constantly go deeper. This is one way, through sitting meditation. On the other hand, we should know, second point is, we should know how we are living. In what kind of way we are always doing. In other words, you should understand the style of your living, every day, including lust, anger, hatred, many things. From where they come, how important it is, what is the evaluation, what is the happiness, what is the unhappiness, we should know. It is possible to free from completely ignorance and anger, etc. Or it is not impossible. If it is

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possible, how can we be free from that? So we have to think many things. So, two ways. One way is, let's go deeply, jump into the ocean and go deep, the bottom of ocean, know what's going on bottom. On the other hand, let's see, let's understand well the surface of ocean. What are they? What they are? What kind of things exist? How we live? In what way we are living? We can't always just going deep, ignoring, understanding surface of water. We live, we create. So, two ways, always. Understanding and also, even though you don't

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understand, let's go deep. Let's go deep, simultaneously let's understand the surface. Then both come together. This is a tall picture of ocean, so-called life. They are intention.

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