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oh sorry about that a way out in public
but i think i've come across something didn't really a very serious problem probably be
i'm coming to win the body object name up a great job might give the whole way
i want to talk you about it because the very often mechanical to join and i think that
very good and idea that i've got up and made from cow too often have helpful in understanding that particular country and i'm referring to
the public victim
that brought them some individual that in some way or other they are god
now that i realized think they won't do
we have all thought not bad
does not become brought the date of mine which may be called if big debate a rather mild a bit of to be god about out the the gold organic feeling
that we call it a regret
which really quite a nice word
for however the individual go so far as to pay my identity with the border guards biases in christianity judaism or islam and the baby all knowing and omnipotent control of the universe then we call it megalomania and very bad thing to be
and we you meant that people
and we think the payment to either extremely glad to matter to do not a big guy was oil quite of thing in our contemporary cards we give them the benefit of the doubt and put them quietly away
but i don't think we've got enough to investigate
the
physical neurological and other types of faces for this kind of a period
and a great deal more park has been given to the topic in the ancient culture than and a pillow in the west and although to beginning to think about it very seriously them away
what kind of dinner plan to make goes on in a person who had or if you want to say is afflicted with they brought up will be delusional tape
that's about it means very different thing to say i am god in the culture of the web than for example the culture of india because the word god has different meanings of the to culture
in the western culture
the popular image of god within the the vivid one of the one that really come
in on an encyclopedic
technology
who personally and consciously control everything that happens in the entire caitlyn
the you should read if you want to get the real inside joke about it the summa complicate delayed by the town of the but it is all made perfectly clear it's a fantastic intellectual exercise and you'll come away staggering with the daughter what gotten be
and though anybody who in our culture claim to be god is making a claim
to technological on the competent and that's all we know my dutch people
for having that people by asking them technical question
how did you make the world and six day
could you can form the rabbit into amount
could you make a film so heavy that you couldn't live it another interesting question and reminding me of that woman who was in an asylum because of the illusion about the to lead to the question i never talk shop

but on the other hand if in india you will government to announce that you were god and everybody would say you're caught
is wonderful you found out about you have been through the by other well delusion which causes you and the ordinary way to feel that you are a separate button on your own run into the drop our world now you found out that that was a trick that you played on yourself
that like if you were free the dream and it really wanted to dream and any knife just map the kind of trouble you'll get to do when you have exhausted all possibilities of ordinary wish fulfilled
you got better
so i did you would find out how i think if you follow the they the a lot what you would do if he were god and all the advantage you could get into the probably end up sitting here
but in any case me in do and in general the asian non islamic idea of god is not this on the competent team but something rather different as exemplified in hindu images of the deity which are very often shown to be many arm
he neither the bullet damage which i wish to save in japan are the so-called goddess of not be anime with one thousand dawn
and you might wonder how anybody could possibly manage one thousand dollars because it's hard enough to think about what to do with to they think the great deal of trading or playing the organ to you left and right hander for right foot and different rhythm
what about about the answer is thought that the canon and shiva and all the people who have many on use them as the same way with the centipede know that a do that his legs and the a way that you operate your land yacht
happy your restoration and all but rather in a process to which you give no thought whatsoever to celebrate lake move by themselves and he doesn't have to think about them and probably be didn't even get confused and going back to the same way the hindus regard that is have managing the universe with the tremendous confidence does not have
you to think about
so did they can enjoy themselves by not having to go to all the details because they take care of themselves by automatic omnipotent and that therefore if you are i can do who has had the sense of being one with god all these technical question he said i've got know how to do but i cannot explain it in your country language
the oh ever so many things going on at one simultaneous operation of a complex organism is a thing that in our scientific languages can be brought about only in a linear way that is to say we have to express our scientific view of well
processes in level or mathematical notation which are drawn out the line and have to be scammed by us in linear bit
that takes much too long for running the universe
i've got a different kind of thinking would be necessary
suddenly you get in a way to broad types of this experience
that many many variations just consider two broad types beverages largely characteristic of the eastern cultures brought up with an impersonal or super personal a cosmic centipede type of god
and those of the people brought up in the jewish christian or islamic background were guarded personal omniscient and omnipotent and they have an experience of being back
now i've got this the first one is much more socially acceptable than the second
because the knew when he feels that he's god is not liable to play that he alone has got you've got to grab this privilege to everybody else as well
but westerners who sometimes get into this if they're not say within the restraining fold the catholic church for the papers or some other organization which takes mystical experience rather seriously if they're not in that restraining phone they are a bit level of time to feel that they in
particular as a single individual or in some way divine or have been made jesus christ that is to say they have a unique divinity which does not exist among other people
now i think that which you'll make all the delusional state is a largely a result of background
and i want to discuss what this experience would be from a completely non religious point of view
and then we can see why in different cultures people would give it different interpretations
it is is not is it not a physiological fact that the human being has no direct experience of anything except it's a knowledge
that is to say
our perceptions whatsoever that come in through extra september proprioceptive channels
our experienced in terms of states as another system
ordinarily we don't feel this there is dropping it is a kind of it as effect that is repressed because when we look out at the field of vision in front of us
we assume that it's out there everything that we see beyond the skin covering the face
and so we not aware of the fact that the field of vision is more directly a sensation of the article nervous system
and that it is inside our heads
we translate the quanta of life
the into states of europe and it is states of neurons that we know rather than quantity life
but this fact which is ordinarily set aside and put out of mine could they well under certain conditions become obvious
and become a sensuous experience for the individual
and if that is so he will feel what is in this neurological fence quite literally true that the movements and states and appearance of other people and other things are forms of himself
and so he would have a basis for saying all this well is also me
now just as we differ between freely internal and external world physically speaking we also differ between experiences that are q to us as voluntary and experiences that often do to us as in laundry
in the same way we differentiate between the experience of present happenings on the one hand and memories on the other
sometimes i think our wires get crossed and a pleasant experience comes to us carrying a memory signal and then we have what is called a day that you experience but seventy the same way the wires might get cross which the distinguish voluntary act from inventory so
so that we would get voluntary cues attached to experiences which we normally class of involuntary
and then he would get the sensation that we ourselves were doing everything of which we were aware
and so you would feel not only that you were everything around you but also the two hundred in control
that even though in the autumn resent something is happening against your will you can get to the point where you can see that you will not to with it
oh you will something to happen which is would ordinarily be opposed to your will he was somehow cooperate with what happens whether it is likable or unlikable
now let me have one other condition to this state of mind
which is
that it is invariably characterized by what i would call coretta in thinking
granite thinking is not very characteristic of western culture but it's very characteristic of chinese culture
the very ancient chinese philosophical work called it out a gym
as a second chapter these works were all the world understands beauty to the beautiful there is already ugliness
when all the world understands goodness to be good there is already evil for to be as not to be arise mutually
got an easy are mutually distinguished long shot are mutually contrastive high level of usually positive and so on
but
the chinese people if rhetoric in about ancient culture
do not think causally in quite the same way that we do that if say we divide
the continuum of our experience into units which we term separate things and events having done this we forget that we've done and think that life presents to our separate things to events
i've given
then they bundled us as to how they influence each other and we've invented a ghost called a law of cause and effect whereby
ha father's past events and other words have influences of the mysterious nature on present events one have been called the cause and the other being all the effect
but in chinese ways of thinking this is not done because they realize that the distinction and called the cutting up off the world into separate things that separate events is an intellectual device a very comfortable to dividing the world surface into
squares or rectangles of latitude and longitude
the things and events all go together they are inseparably interconnected
and therefore what we would call cause and effect they look upon as two aspects of the same event or as many aspects as you want to delineate
and so are the same way they see very strongly that everything that we call opposites such as light and darkness pleasure paid high and low back and from ah color
that is to say they go with each other cause goes with effect up goes with down inside goes with outside subjective goes with objective because obviously you can't have an inside without an outside except in some very strange forms of geometry
you can't have up without down and you can't have light without darkness indeed what we call a be more impulsive light is a vibration which is an incredibly fast alternation of like darkness just as all sound is an alternation of sound science
now you see ordinarily especially in the west we do not think for relatively we are involved in a great struggle
to make the good guys win against the bad guys
in every conceivable dimension we want to make life i will come death pleasure overcome pain and in general the positive side to conquer and or indeed obliterate the negative side
to a chinese person that is ridiculous
ah because once you get rid of here or say let's say let's say you get rid of elsewhere when then than whereas here
that down get rid of bad that what is good number didn't have these things need each other they come into being life and death existence and non-existence come into being simultaneously in the same way as the back and front of a single guy
now if but by any chance ones
neurological functioning should in some way or other slip into that way of looking at things
it will be very clear to you
that everything you define as yourself
goes with as go back and front everything experienced as other and that you could experience otherness you wouldn't experience yourself
and you realize therefore the kind of mysterious conspiracy between these two things they are different but there are always thought together there certain kind of tweedle dum and tweedle dee
who couldn't have a battle without first agreeing to do so
and so when you begin to be aware of that polarity just as a magnet constitutes a single bar between opposite poles
when you become aware of the polarity of insides and outsides it becomes static obvious to you the shaw own organism is not something
separate from the environment which encounters it which faces it as if to a tiger stood opposite each other growing
but that
life whatever that is polarizes itself as organism and environment as subject and object has no and known and then it's really one thing playing it too
and this is father to see all the feeling of everything going together are voluntary or involuntary being polls are one of the same situation and so give by any chance through chemical changes of the brain because we know that the certain chemicals it is
we'll will create the sort of feeling if by any chance than this should arise in an individual
without his intention sometimes that with his objection if he chokes up chemicals or did certain psycho physical exercise is to bring about the song but if it comes upon him
the blue the way in which he will interpret it will depend on very large extent upon his cultural background
so if this person is emotionally unstable to begin with ah and is brought up say is the bible belt culture of the united states and those that as is only religious terminology
then he is liable to job to very socially unacceptable conclusions and say i am god i have had a direct revelation from god and to carry on in this way
now it but on the other hand if he's oriental well this view of the world is accepted both in hindu and chinese culture though in rather different types of nomenclature
then the person is considered quite normal
i'll rather supernormal
he does not run into the same time a kind of social conflicts has a person would do in this culture and therefore is you don't get him scared off with his dander up or he doesn't get on the offensive everything is quite natural and his his god doesn't make extravagant claims to omniscience and omnipotence
well now
let us go into this a little more deeply because we really don't have to decide don't we especially if your profession whether or not this is a delusional state
whether this is something when you get into the patient should be found a discouraged to the subject of religion completely avoided
all whether there is some way of helping people in that state too terrified
there is a tendency which i have discovered it most psychiatric and psychological circles to dismiss all these states as delusional
and this is due to the prevailing and largely unexamined metaphysics
professed in this particular kind of profession
the unconscious metaphysical systems are both psychiatry
ha is the philosophy of science prevalent late in the nineteenth century
that is to say it is some kind of behaviour istick materialism
which assumes a rather naive darwinian point of view that man is a fluky evolutionary product of the animal world which in turn goes back to the geological well as so that the greater is always nothing more than a complicated form of the death and so
any any idea of there being spiritual values and salon must in the end be reduced to rather crude biological processes this is a way this was a fashion in mythology it was a way of saying and a second time in history in the history of our culture i look i'm kind of a tough guy i don't going
for the silly wishful thinking that all these old ladies who go to church have i believe that life and brutal and that everything except man is stupid that happens to be around a special form of stupidity but still i if you want human values to prevail
nature has nothing in common with them and you've gotta fight nature to maintain so we are real tough pelosi and we don't go in for ready of these silly ideas and so normally anybody who has any strong religious manifestations and gets mixed up with a mental hospital is income
so about that we should think about these things from another point of view
and that is
it isn't very true
the person who experiences
this sort of switch in his feeling of personal identity is it really true that he's entered a delusional state
could it not he could be argued that are ordinary common or garden sense of personal identity is a delusional state
in other words most people as i think i've said many of you before seem to experience their own existence and more particularly their ego
as a centre of consciousness which is alone and all by itself and is confined in a bag of skin
bromwich it looks out upon an alien world with which it must make friend brought some way come to terms with it
i a stranger and afraid of the world i'd ever made
that's the average reading now this feeling of personal identity as you know has absolutely no relation to any scientific facts whatsoever
oh biological physiological zoological studies of man shouted like every other organism
he is not just an ominous he's an organism environment field because you can't describe the behavior of the organism without the same time describing the behavior of the barn
and the more you do this while you realize that your entity of description of shape instead of it being the organism alone it's something you have to i've eight clumsily as an organism environment or unified field of behavior synthetic compare
it isn't that that is environmental determinism that the environment kicks the organism around it doesn't those this kind of a queue crude free will that the organism often succeeds and kicking the environment around the real point is that both of them moved together this is when a snake moves along the left side moved
to the same time as the right
now this is obvious and this is perfectly clear from all descriptive sciences of human behavior or any other type of living behavior it's also true over in quantum theory and electrical fields an entirely different division of science
so perhaps person food suddenly realizes that he is unified with his environment that they to behaviors happened together
has a sound of you i sounded them you say sensation of what's going on down the person who insists
that the environment to the rest of the physical universe is something quite a year
indeed i would go so far as to uphold the person who experiences the to is going together as having a much higher degree of sanity we do because
he is in a position to understand
something urgently in need
the human race has to stop conquering nature
that is to say taking a hostile attitude towards the physical environment
because if we carry on with a technology based on hostility we're gonna wipe off the planet
we are in other words interfering with our environment
in ways that do not recognize
the total interconnectedness of the environment with every member of the environment and without own physical bodies the environment is your physical body extended
and naturally if we don't recognize that well we get the situation where people put all kinds of chemicals into things with a shop rob view of how they will work but they never think of the long run situation
ah
abbott has unforeseeable unpredictable effects in a vast number of ways because the universe is not native a lot of separate things you cannot influence one corner without influencing the rest it all goes together and is of the peace
so then
it seems to be that
this problem of identity is a great psychiatric concern from two points of view
one in dealing with patients
go for one reason or another have had this sort of experience and are confused but
and who are behaving in a socially unacceptable way because it
but secondly that is great psychiatric importance is it in it as a kind of july say social therapy
when we
merely work to build up the ego strength
are they disturbed individual
we are being rather short-sighted
diego strength will help him to a certain extent
but
thereafter it will make him as crazy as everybody else
one it is vitally necessary to go beyond that point
andrew
enable individuals
don't have a sensation of their own existence
that is not
alienated from the environment
but
belongs in it is a home in
so that we can understand that the world grows people in the same way as an apple tree grows apples if apples are symptomatic of the apple tree people are symptomatic of the nature of this physical universe is the apple tree apples the world people's it's a people
well as well as many other interesting things besides
but we have been brought up you see in this culture to favorite as a matter of basic common sense that outside the human skin the world is just downright stupid
it is an interplay are blind forces
which are characterized and these words blind brook
people have to talk about brute facts brute forces and so on is the tough guy approaches you because of what that person with the same is not a philosophical statement that kind of on amazon for tough guy my role
so that if we could bring people to
get the on this insular sensation of their own existence and actually experience
solidarity
belonging participation in everything that goes on then we have gone a long way towards creating the emotional motivation
for the things that need urgently to be done on the advice of our ecologists and conservationists
and if we don't do them well the human race is in for rather short ride
the i tell him on fifteen thirty nine
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