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Shuso Ceremony
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SR-68-04-23-C (complete) Philip Wilson's shuso ceremony, followed by SR near end of side A - duplicate
The talk centers on a shuso ceremony and explores the nature of ignorance and practice in Zen, emphasizing that ignorance is ever-present but impermanent. Practice, particularly meditation, is seen as the primary path to relieve ignorance and achieve liberation. The discussion highlights the importance of engaging deeply in one’s duties and cooperating with others while following Zen precepts. There's an examination of the relationship between the 'small mind' and 'big mind', suggesting their coexistence and interplay in the context of practice and enlightenment. The speaker also addresses the concepts of morality and impermanence, suggesting a nuanced understanding of actions such as killing, and emphasizes the importance of continued practice without attachment to fixed concepts.
Referenced Works:
- "Shobogenzo" by Dogen: This is referenced indirectly through discussions on practice and meditation, which are central themes in Dogen’s teachings.
- Zen Precepts: The importance of following precepts is highlighted, aligning with teachings found in classical Zen texts like the "Platform Sutra."
Themes Discussed:
- Ignorance and impermanence: Explored as central elements of Zen practice, connecting to fundamental Buddhist teachings on suffering and the transient nature of existence.
- Small mind vs. Big mind: This duality is discussed in terms of practice, drawing from Zen concepts of individual consciousness and universal mind.
- Morality and individual perception: Examined through discussions on killing and actions, reflecting on the subjective nature of ethical decisions.
- Relationship and cooperation with others: Emphasizes communal practice and learning, a key aspect of Zen monastic life.
AI Suggested Title: Zen Practice: Embracing Impermanence and Insight
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Side: A
Speaker: Philip Wilson
Location: SF Zen Center
Possible Title: Shuso ceremony
Additional text: Followed by SR near end of Side A.
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Side A:
Description: Philip Wilsons shuso ceremony, followed by SR near end of Side A.
Side B:
Description: Blank
Copyright:
Year: C 1968 P 1996
Holder: S.F. Zen Center
Rights: All rights reserved.
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Not SR - Katsuzen Philip Wilson Shuso Ceremony. Recording starts after beginning of talk
So there needs to be no special demonstration. What is here very naturally is. Thank you very much. Answer that. What difference does it make whether we ask you these questions or do you answer them? I think it's good practice for all of us. I've never done this before. But I think it's good effort. One day when I was trying to work for Reverend Sir Richard, we were standing on the floor, and I had to go to the basement or to the car or get something. So we had to pee. So I said, he was up in the balcony, and he threw the keys out.
[01:10]
But when I reached for them, I realized that they were just a little too far, and I had to jump. So I jumped, and I landed on my stomach, and I just scraped the keys with my finger. I just missed them. And I just wondered, and I looked up, and he looked down at a moment, and then turned away very quickly. So I realized that I was a very slow person, and that I had to reach. So I think in one sense, this is reaching. So, good try. Is ignorance permanent or is it permanent? Ignorance is always coming up.
[02:13]
You always have some kind of thing to deal with. I think it's endless. But it's impermanent because it will take a material form. And a material form is also spiritual. And everything is changing all the time. So it will be continually changing. So ignorance will continually be arising or coming up. I don't know where it comes from, but it will come. And it will always be changing. And that will bring you right around to your practice. Because it changes, you can improve yourself. Does that mean that we should seek no relief from ignorance? Your relief from ignorance is no opinion. It's your practice. It's the way that you are developing for yourself now.
[03:15]
So you have your relief, no relief. But it's through your meditation. Not the opposite. Think about it more. Philip, what's your tip? What's your tip? What's your tip? You think a lot? I hope we have another work period together. How may we gain liberation from ourselves in practice? Just do your meditation every day and try to take your duty, just your duty, just do them.
[04:37]
And try to cooperate with everyone. Follow the precepts as closely as you can. And if you break them, just go back to doing it again. and try to work with people who have a deep sense of responsibility in their way. But how does practice bring about liberation? I'm beginning to think that you won't know until after you're liberated. Or you won't know. It's like telling someone, they'll say, You say, to draw a figure. Well, if you want them to put shooting in it, you can't tell them how it feels until after they've gone through the experience. After they've got the experience, then they can do it. So until you arrive at it.
[05:42]
And then when you're doing it, you're just doing it. And someone will say, wow, that's great. But they won't know. I mean, you won't know when you're doing it. You'll just be doing the work. and maybe be the real shooter like that. But some idea of practice is not enough to bring us all together here and to keep us practicing for many years. No, if it's some mystery, then you'll have to enjoy it with yourself. Dr. Sam Phillips, What does not killing or eating animals, maintaining bodily health, and maintaining your practice have to do with hamburgers and milkshakes? One way to train is to take something away.
[06:48]
I don't think the hamburgers and milkshakes make much difference. But the fact that it's taken away does. Thank you very much. That's enough. What is the statement that continues to be confirmed or denied? Well, the closest you can get to an intellectual is no opinion. And how many of these diamonds are there? Why don't you start with the one that you have at that moment? Don't worry about the rest. Thank you. Phillip, why are we at Tulsa Horror? We're here to train. Why here? Because Reverend Suzuki and Dick Baker and the momentum that was gathered at this dinner created this place so we could study.
[07:55]
Why not the other side? Because there are more possibilities, more people. Food in nature is not limited to a particular number of people. So we can, I think we can achieve more possibilities. Hello? I can't express what you think, but I like you very much. Don't talk. What does the small mind think of the big mind?
[09:09]
It has no opinion about it. It just lets it exist there. And I think that the small, I don't know, I think the small mind is the big mind. But it takes different aspects. Sometimes the small mind is the big mind expressing itself. That is what I would call it. I don't quite know, but it's a thing to join, like when patients are talking or doing ordinary activity. Other times, it seems that the large mind is like a cradle that holds all of your impulses and everything within it, like a vast ocean in which a little baby is sort of swimming in. And It's always changing. It's always changing. And there were different kinds of colors. So, but I don't think it has any difference.
[10:23]
But the relationships of the two can create a very beautiful feeling. I don't know if they work together. I think that they're going to have some kind of development. Does the small mind want to work with the big mind, or is he just embarrassed by the big mind? I think he'd be well trained to that. I think he'd be well trained to that. But sometimes I think that I can run around and do what he wants to do. Pastor Zen, why do you separate mind and body? What mind? Oh, what body? Do you practice as well as you talk? Uh... This is what we're here for.
[11:54]
Oh, Monk. carrying out faith in our great enlightenment track, growing strong, lifting the great weights of our ignorance. Fortunately, for a moment, we forget to suffer appropriately. Then, We can go to our true home. How are things at home? Well, uh... I will always be surprised.
[13:01]
But they really haven't changed. You're always welcome. You're welcome. Thank you very much. Oh, congratulations. I have one question. Could you show me a word? Why do you want to work?
[14:12]
Very important point. No! Somewhere there is that advice. But if you look for a word, then whatever you see will be some kind of word. A tree or bush or sky. Whatever your inclination is, then in that direction there will be uh, things will speak to you. So if you have an intellectual event and, uh, your nature is in thought, then you will see things happen.
[15:16]
And, uh, if you, uh, limit yourself to that activity, then it will be difficult to exist with people who have other expressions of their nature. So if someone has their nature involved in architecture or something like that, then you will reach a point where you have to give up. Okay. So each one of us will have some particular expression of our Buddha nature that we may want. And as we grow older and more in this way, there will be some kind of commitment to it.
[16:23]
But I think that more important than either of these is to be able to give these things up. And that is a kind of further development. To be able to give up anything or to work with any situation is more important than our sort of nuance of Buddha nature or our slant. I think that that is not certain that there are other areas that must be developed to meet one of the samsara, samsara. Both of these should be given up. So words should be given up. And anything, when you die, you can't even sit cross-legged in your mouth.
[17:30]
So there's something more important. I'll go quick. Show me. who mean commandment don't keep when you ain't you're right think of it that many grains of rice each grain contains a living element in it when you need to ride, don't kill the ride. I think there's another element which is more important.
[18:47]
And it has to do with morality. And I think the morality will come out of the situation. What is true should come out of the moment. So when you say kill, there's some connotation that killing is bad. But there's some feeling about it that it's bad. But maybe killing is not so bad. It's your individual way of looking at it that will make it good or bad. And if you're on the short end of the stick, it may be pretty bad.
[19:50]
Or if you have some commitment about killing, then it may be very bad. But actually, it may be very good. I think that killing is a part of your own nature. Everything about you is killing all the time. But it kills in such a way that life is created. So I think that you should think more about killing. Maybe we have something to teach or to show about. Maybe there's some expression that could be realized for killing. That is, creating. I think that killing could take a very, I mean, not just people or things like that, but I think that there's a deeper meaning.
[20:54]
Someone that, you know, can I mean, I don't like to connect killing and curing people and things like that, you know, going out and using it as an excuse. Thank you very much. Congratulations. Congratulations. Well done. Thank you for your help. [...] Thank you for your chubby red face.
[22:05]
Thank you. Thank you for your complete commitment. Thank you for being. Thank you for your buff greenery. Thank you for your example. Thank you for your cold roll cap. Well, I'd like to... Actually, there's no... No thanks that I can give you. And there's no way to really show my appreciation. That is, I'm speechless.
[23:06]
I mean, not in the rhetorical sort of thin way of saying I'm speechless. But I mean, I'm really happy. There's just no way that I can express my gratitude for the way Reverend Suzuki has conducted himself with the students like me. And there's just, there's no way. And Kino-san's Fortitude and Word Clip is, I don't think it's very easy work at all. And it's very hard. But their spirit is just unsurpassable. So I just have to play now I just have to lay all my gratitude right back here. Stop. I don't like that.
[24:31]
I'm like, I'm not going to play football. You know, football is just playing with you. You don't play with me. I don't play with you. I don't play with you. I don't play with you. I don't know. [...] before spring has gone.
[25:39]
Spring or summer. We have spring wind. And next, right here, we'll have next section. If we take a pause for a while. I cannot help amazing by seeing things including you.
[26:50]
You developed very well and at the same time the Sahara became more and more That's it. May not be a word for congratulations, but exactly how I feel. So we should try not to be lost in our practice.
[28:02]
And tasahā also should not be lost from this world by your effort. There is unknown flower on the stream, near the stream. We should keep up with the world of khandras. I love you.
[29:02]
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