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of producing in a certain way or a certain type of personality
the zen of personality of soto's with the kind of recognition and down directness of injury illness about them all of those things which are identified by modern japanese people people's being present style there's enormous styles noodle style and the switch and
the vulgar way westerners think that when you think there's in masters those who get a little bit technique of the stick with it can be threatening nauseating to be a running running rising in the sutra channel and so forth
what about that image of of zen training but didn't like there was a benefit say you in early rising in and in that kind of diet and software how does that connect with corn studied zazen and with what's essential to your mind
well i think kim
if many things that do not connect
i think we have to think of the sodo live as having a present that show the alive or the remnants of soda life that exist today to will have originated in tokugawa japan and mid tokugawa japan when
ha ha queen reformed everything and the whole of rinzai then and i think there are many things which are purely a
the things that belong to a japanese sir
matters which are not of necessity hadn't have nothing to do within itself i think there are many many things in sodo life which are correct to produce the kind of man they want for a temple or or of
has been correct to produce the kind of men they wanted to be the priests of temples and so forth
and i think much of it has a has either cut there are there are many values in it also
ah i think
but let's take up a few other things that are belong to japanese culture alone japanese life alone the fact that you go barefoot or that i must go barefoot
that has nothing to do with the so a towel has nothing to do with then i mean
a japanese people have a lower class go barefoot all the year around in the house and do all kinds of things barefoot and nothing to them to go barefoot it means an aesthetic practice for us but it isn't an ascetic practice for japanese people
a the made that i have here
do they rushing in bare feet in the cut in the middle of the window with cold water thirty days a month and there's nothing you can do you can buy the rubber shoes to put on and say you going to get cramps in the stomach but they will not do it because they were was done gone around in their bare feet and they prefer to do it so for
for a japanese monks bare feet don't mean i said to soothe them don't mean giving up something warm because they've never had it that way most of them coming from country temples were from a from the houses of farmers and so forth the question of of on of sleeping such as you will have it in the
a big sand one is sleeping live where showed side by side and lives are only a certain number of key models and a certain number of futon
permit it well
i don't know about that that has a certain health that you i mean you her you'll have a have this it can be stimulated circulation in that sort of thing ah i suppose you can
work and live i'm not talking about serving practice for that's a little different but to in of yankee models without underwear and the snape that way within hidden futon on top of yourself even in the wintertime but i think we have to consider the
number of cases of of the monks who come down with tuberculosis father in the monastery and of what part does this over extreme
our insistence upon a to few close to just not not being sensible about them might have to do in bringing it up the same thing comes with the food well the food that they have to lead or is basic japanese food which executives in the poorer quantity
the and poor quality both that pouring is lacking in quantity perhaps
the way they eat it is ridiculous and if the the this is swallowing as a hot rice as they doing and eating in a hurry i don't know what the why you will have to eat in a hurry i don't know that then principle is a involved and eating in a hurry throwing this a
right into your face as they do and the result of then is the large number of stomach cancers which a zen monks have i mean did that to my mind is it is and is a perfectly ridiculous way they're eating the way most of them eat a project
i'd rather them do and then they go out for their tangent and they eat like it would i say like snakes they feel themselves up to the ducks and everything up right up to their ears and takes the sheer for a day to digest what they eat and there's there's no sense to may to marry in lydney in in the
taking part of a sober life i'm not talking about again the the ocean pardon but i think that the food is quite adequate for a session i don't think there's that there's any need to change that but the general everyday food
am getting up in the morning when you're young and husky i don't think that it makes any difference for you when you get up in the morning and button don't get up at four o'clock i mean by that i don't think anything is game particularly one way or another and the maybe it's all right but of course may have to take it
that there are accustomed getting up at four o'clock in the parade in the morning came from the habits of the of the chinese emperors they always gave their their morning a their audiences through four o'clock in the morning and that is
he would have to to decide what but value their head you would have to trace it back to what started it but is there value in in that pic time business i don't know i couldn't answer that are i must say that one the nicest things that
every other things i've and i enjoyed for years more than anything else was getting up at four o'clock in the morning or early left to foreign going up to g in the dawn i loved it and i don't consider the badge any hardship for provided you can get six hours sleep a night and
and if you can go to bed by ten or eleven and big strong husky boys don't need quite so much perhaps even if there's anything wrong in it and i think it has a certain know when he did he get up at three o'clock in the summertime
the but prior oversleeping so ah six him he
where i looked for years and six hours sleep and
did a lot more than than just thirteen of course they do a lot of samuel that the southern part of it i think is a certain a certain amount is is some uncertainty that is fine the physical exercise is fine as an antidote to the or to me
sitting couldn't be better
but we have to take into consideration that a here has to be done recourse of the size of the temple type of the of the buildings the gardens and that sort of thing
and that that you consider only that kind of work samuel
it seems to me a very very very narrow way of looking at it i think there's much doug that to learn how to a do sample in what spirit and when coupled with a total absorption in wet simple work of sweeping or cleaning
we're lifting rocks and or that sort of thing
that i say i think it's fine that to i think there are other kinds of samuel as well and ah but they are this is stressed here as or because of the particular style of the buildings in the style of the gardens and in sofa
red cross is quite true in china that in the early days the that the people around the earth and zen monks are famous for it they're saddled for their garden work and earn their than supporting themselves with their on the food that they raised of course people don't do that
in the city temples anyway they don't have the grounds for it
i'll run it comes to the manners
ah i think there's no question that the manners they are based upon tangara funeral manners and they for today they are certainly in appearance they are exaggerated but ah i
i think it down the hall that and i don't think they especially among to then
ah but i think here their admirable discipline admirable training myself i have no objection to the to the formalities i think they're very handsome lick their traditional and i think been the disciplinary
side of the of learning them and conforming to them is excellent because i have seen for instance at non genji the first year i went and seeing country boys come in for their first a their first year in the sodo and i have seen them through four years later when
oh they came in as just loves and at the end of three or four years they were gentlemen they could entertain anybody i mean in their manners for such their oh neat clean a exact appearance they're just this this to their chemo knows the
they could go any place in any society close their manners were so beautiful
and so oh
oh in company now that they are rough with one another and debrusk with the one another
i think here i don't know whether that is a japanese or i don't in the personally i don't don't think it has to be then and but it may be i don't know japanese idea of it what else is there
a suit to channing of course i have a great believer in a certain amount of that i think it should be a kind of who studied and practiced as a meditation practice and of which i think it's intended to be and means a a technique of meditation and a get a great
a very important thing or what about done
study perfect zone looks you have sodalite in bricks and came from reading a book study buddhism different with law restricts for
i think it's a i think it spoken about in the wrong way i am absolutely in agreement that certainly for the first few years and even if you are but we have to take that monks living in the sodo by living there and soon
is she the only rashid said for a different purpose then they they they have to learn many suitors they have to learn how to conduct many ceremonies they have to learn how to manage a temple have many things to learn which are not connected with then study itself
but i am absolutely of the opinion that for a long time as possible five years six years seven years that are a man should not read books he shouldn't even read newspapers if he can keep from doing it is the longest time pas
double for a person studying command ah to not to study external things i think it's very important but after a certain point where they get there they are a person is able to use any work that he does reading or writing or
our rushing the conditions in the kitchen or whatever it is ah still a continue his inner is as then practice then i think he may begin
but term given a long time as possible without anything
i don't mean know the whole ten years or twelve years that do but certainly three or four or five without without study but then i think of course if they should have had a great deal of study before they went in a great deal of study and i think they should have a
great deal of steady when they come out more generally do for much a positive value in india in this is fabulous any courses within the whole of buddhism in this or practice of monks removing themselves from society from the world from period of time cutting off
family ties and an ordinary tizen and becoming a member of a special and somewhat isolated community
well you can also don't isolated community lines and eleven
the very special community
it's not in the stream of of life with the and said well i don't think anybody who is going to
try to develop an interior life
a can boot from the beginning in the midst of the crowd i think we've all got than anybody's captain neither get in the past people on there a certain period of time i don't think it's that turn for the layman i certainly
i wouldn't recommend the monks way but you have to think even in the those today at least they i run if she is a six months in the year when they're really
isolated
one of those guys with there longer than that actually well they they don't really get to go on this day many weeks before and after some of the my blog and laundering improve well i guess the first year they probably they will not lantern
well i i think it should i would have no objection even two three or four years of being isolated you can put a political or i do definitely so
newspaper better concentration on your work because if it does it just take it that when i spoke about the little girl that said hello
a good morning now that of course was know in an notation period but or that oh no
not having outside worries outside the diversions outside thought coming in for a period long period of time is certainly ah are conducive to the development of this what intuitive awakened
the or whatever you wanna call it and it can certainly be done much better that way i think much better
here's another question which is kind of a prickly question and it's very basic humanity more answer
and that was for worse than point do using an intrinsic value in the traditional a buddhist monks insistence on celibacy and on vegetarianism per person watched it too soon study
well
yeah i have some views on that
ah
of i think it depends partly upon paper i think it's and races shall we say i think it's not very difficult for a gem hasn't been very difficult for japanese people to live to be vegetarians i think there are these other
the items like tofu and net in there in error in the beings and the being paste and things like that which will take the place of the of neat and that if they were to eat correctly within their diet that they could do within the tibet the part
abilities of their diet that they could be adequately fed i don't think that foreign people europeans and americans can accept that kind of data at a lot that they can accept live their mind they can that simple
but they have their there is physical organism except that kind of diet i think is very difficult and personally i don't think that mean eating and hairs to any great extent with him one
spiritual attainment or the attaining spirituality but i don't think for instance during the session weeks i'm only speaking from my own experience that the kind of food that you have an session creatures light which is starchy
is apt to have more sugar than you other times have a kind of dad of food that takes very little effort to digest didn't come is quickly turned into energy and you don't mean much food when you doing it you're better you must not have much food so i would myself
and i always have if i were doing any he continued and practice even when i was not at some then james to do it here take a week off at the time and eat absolutely nothing but vegetarian food and a i think that is a is absolutely necessary
for that period of time when you are giving eight ten twelve fourteen hours a day desert him and i think certainly that light vegetarian a fruit is the proper food for that kind that period but between those periods i don't think that foreigners should try to live
i'm a vegetarian diet unless they happen to him that that they are able to their system to bodies to adjust to a japanese diet and they certainly should not me a meager japanese diet that is is given it day by day in the sodo
now when it comes to the question of celibacy
i don't know about him men
i i think probably that a one of the main reasons for celibacy in a hen buddhism has been than it for you were were borrowed a and with girls eh that the that was in really
a bother and need to integrate with your your zen practice and so forth any girls were a women were cut off ah
i think about food or to go out wouldn't ah
that was just can't just as if with money is with money you don't have been to do with money without earning money and you're not spending money so money is not a concern of course a girls are not quite bank money because they are a fiscal concern and a
tangy and those old age i don't know what the boys do in this fun hysteria in any idea what are they used to regularly feed them every so many days that would give them i don't know saw peter reps what they do in the prisons in america i don't know what they gave them here but they gave them something which brought about a
the emissions of semen and relieve them from this ice pearls and physical a pressure would have been one to call it and that was just as regular as is their beds or something else not quite as option of course but to his regular and
the but when it comes to erm not living in the in the monastery i am for instances that roshi the i'm all for oh she's being married when using a traditional rather than traditional lines of argument for newest and the yogurt news that solo seen as a pie
positive
it to meditation and spiritual achievement in some of the sport lies behind no doubt buddhist history well i know with it's a positive or not i mean i know breath them we feel that way across the developed brought to to gundy is give roma termini know awkward
the pre the jesuit priest who went up to a whole shinji it'll be himself net ah he used to go for all sessions and that what he did was so that he had permission from the a from havana
ocean to perform his mass in his own room before he went into the meditation hall they are pushing yes
so he said he told me he had permission to do that
so then he goes in he performed his mass private mass in his own room then he goes into the meditation hall
now what is he doing when he gets into meditation hall what is he meditating about
is he is he just sitting there and enjoying the quiet atmosphere which the meditation hall gives him in the midst of these this have a group of people who are doing says in and he sits may be crossed a get them from the does but what's he doing with his mind is a price
dressings as him because ultimately as and is not just sitting with defeat crossed in a proper way thousand is handling your mind in a certain way and it certainly is not meditating upon any christian religious subjects it's primarily getting rid of every kind of car
set and he's just filled his mind with concept before he comes in so if he comes with that kind of mind he's getting nothing is he not getting those in he doesn't know what reels as he is he's not practicing it
and if he were to practice it
he would lose his christianity lesson point i mean it's gonna be one of the other it's only going to be phony phony sitting as you said list of the rule no i haven't said mr joomla it's all gonna be forty sitting or it is going to be a m
or they're going to lose their christianity
that's why i won't i'd never have taken a missed a missionary for anything i've had any number of them asked me he's protestant missionaries around here i think i must have told you that time the the on the norwegian one came and he hounded me from me
months you to come every so often please show me how to practices and please let me come and do your and sit on the xander when i said no the one day he came
and he came with harry hansen who took over for him a laker and who is now the head of the norwegian admission and there and they have a farm near in shizuoka some placement
and that day he said i've come to again to ask you please to a take me as a student
and i said again know and he said but i'm willing to give up everything about christianity everything he said everything except christ himself
so i said well
what are you going to do when you go into something
and the row she says to you
slay the buddha slay the patriarchs lay your father's lay your mother slay your kinfolk do you think that jesus christ is going to be
ah left out of that
well harry anson burst into laughing
in the man never came back to see me again
that ended it
now that this is the payoff
he went back to norway but somebody went to i was dick went to some temple in shizuoka were on takashima roshi
so it's a photo september go platinum rose them together so is now the priest a he's quite must be very old by now that was i met him years and years ago and he was all then
and ah dick way to some kind of the fancy missouri in which they had shinto and the soto's in and i don't know he had tell you what the new terminal but he didn't tell you in them and among other things she told me that at that missouri he was told the
that a takashima was giving sunday in the harry handsome handsome
how are you
of course it wasn't harry handsome who asked for a year very aunts and laughed when i said you think christ disgraceful escape
and was very clumsily oh times the dancer at thompson he was a classmate of mine of anonymous oh really know if harry thompson
and he's written a very nice book on them and then modern japanese sadness i don't i know you
allow he is head of the mission and they moved to shizuoka and they have a farm there they're raising cattle and that a they will try to redevelop dairy farm there
but the dick was told he knocked by harry thompson himself but he was told that harry thompson was taking sanding with dutch english roast and know be photos on oh yes so told me as whatever the annual him but nevertheless
nevertheless
nevertheless
and this business over here bothers me very much none of my business but if you will talk perhaps you have talked to can or to irma the harder to dig in here put that young man was having to say i mean how of disappointed the years how and
happy is oh what he's not finding out what he expected to find out
hmm i haven't don't yeah well you live
that's what they've told me that that all came up at the time that can let the soda and they spoke about him and how difficult or he was with the monks i mean he was dissatisfied with this when he questioned them all the time about

now when he live
that's what they've told me that that all keep up at the time that can lead the soda and they spoke about him and how difficult or he was with a month i mean he was dissatisfied with this when he questioned them all the time about them that he asked them up
a lot that what that situation one or his luggage below will be there until may i think when his wife and children company you will come israel
but he had died in the will
oh
jewish a new it in that's fine if anybody had any objection to it but then why they have to come due to then i wouldn't know what what been looking for cause you can say that the within their what is it a half hasina
the them lot more effective judaism is a mythical fact may have i believe some a technique which resembles poet movie review them dog be in the big practically gone the extra addicts the dance
the day
implanting a very extreme but i think the learn that somebody told me he belonged to that fact
but it as the problem is this hear anybody that wants to come in news is welcome well that hasn't good side i mean buddhism buddhist monasteries and buddhist temples
that our own are open and i think curve in the past historically they've been open to everybody
but on the people that they were open to friends and simply say that historically chinese temples were open to anybody that who came in who came into them chinese didn't they that western people and they would be either buddhist or terrorists or or
our constitution as but they will be people chinese culture
and this the coming from europe and america or is another matter where they're coming from a totally different ah control and will a religious background
and a no objection to people coming but day in my view that them and if that if they're really going to practice then really practice him then on they should to obey ought to be up to help me
with their own fold
ought to end be willing to be ready to become the this if they had already in that line of thought
because i think they will only be bitterly disappointed
if they follow any length of the way and give it up anyway
i never knew any it's okay on students and he must have had a number
ah who were a good christians whose day christian militia who became good as even george fowler who was president the society for over twenty years have become a christian again young women lucasfilm his opinion and mrs townsend who was in a will
so on for so many years and help them with his translation did not let die a catholic
and ah
he has spoken many times of the various of the christians who came unto whom he gave some them
and after certainly time invariably they would say thank you very much happiness should be the gist of it you made my christianity a creature the much more understandable much more living and much for by home for me but this is enough
so on
because then people if i pick like that to some people than they think that i'm very own strength and very orthodox and very narrow and wishing to a to push other people out and then
but the the difference between and quiet sitting and a differ and the real practice of then
and the real practice of zazen certainly would seem from what little i know that to pay people to ah
on a to in are experiences which on equate or which are on
the same as resemble closely at buddhist experiences and wouldn't experiences are not christian experience
and if you were to have if a christian were to have a buddhist experience a real buddhist experience i think it would be a very serious matter and very recognize it is presumed research if i mean a real christian you were to have a buddhist
experience
you may say well then then are the great mystics right there burn the eckhart they were christians
but i expect both of those men and whatever others there were like them were more or less geniuses don't think so
and they they had gone through their religion
but these sure about other people normal confirmed with the christian practice it and are and however what we could call a buddhist experience and i would think it would be very shocking
i don't know but i i don't prove with dawn i think if they weren't if people want to learn to do quiet sidney
as a physical exercise
that's quite all right now i should the items would be gone practically
that we can be learned how to say no to be concerned with attractive
minnesota or for example
like many people at commoner hard question about anything the believer from the door from an easter sunday and london
well i could theoretically that's probably where the line hasn't begun
i want down
but on always insisted that people had to listen to his lectures for three months before he was at the would consider them for sandrine well i've got no sense to me
but i think that's the minimum myself i don't think that that was something like that would be moved or what you're talking about the other day of having me through the basic ground collection of texts to be read with a prep for hear them for whom not have to
round yourself reduced to get some good to put that robe you with smoking with the background well that's what i will have to talk with mr humphrey about the most is concerned about that now and then
but can he do with it means people who want to study them i time you to the person mahayana buddhism instructed him basic mahayana buddhism woods developed form and ever simple physical setting up and if they hang on
after that and one to go further than that another matter when you consider it
ten
the courtyard tiny roshi know a bill or take anybody for any purpose whatsoever and the and who have any any purpose is to get their health if it's to be enjoyed quietude if it's just to see what them with light and or if it's with some
i'm problem to solve which they think my quiet sitting on them sitting or something will solve it
but well like one time and and i was increasingly or tiger you when just before no system and some totally unknown moment can get him be on the definitely a newsman have commitment to the concession
griffin the costume and cause i've got to be friends and from do have some are common know go go some work you want to talk for him among your mind and amounts of your problem i wanna come over
blue cushions a that's good because if you didn't it might be kind of person for you but if you have to be wanna work out whether i'm coming recession and sir
programmer and except an idea backer
well i think with the japanese sir ambivalence in regard to or religion i mean anything anything goes er nurse and a fairly recent book called twelve dollars to japan usa or something that not by yamagata and richard kirtley and
michigan university and published by mcgraw hill and they speak about the fact that even in these new religions that and people often belong to three or four of them at once that they're never questioned in them do you belong to anything else
but if you want to become a member of surely become a member and some of them belong as i say to several of these mariner regional religions as well as course i've been here on household temple background on a shinto shrine back from them all the rest of it there were speaking about
to back said them that the japanese don't have any clear differentiation in their thinking about religion and tall kind of close together and the problems that the christians at head because a minute and one thing that has delayed the the progress
in converting here is the fact that they're interfere so with a certain established the household and the and the neighborhood practices because you're not supposed to the you're a christian to an old and
and the at the were ever tasted the may earn
urban the ancestors come them for the shrine in on obama and is one other time they come because the done times and you're not supposed to go to the shrine and a certain times and the your neighborhood shrine and that disturbs
all the linear relationship in here in the neighborhood and in the household

well i haven't had any medium i haven't had any time to i was going to do that today make out that this because i had to consult something and mean of dates for so long i hope feel much mkdir perhaps you have some other questions you want to ask that we might do this
evening instead of that and but before i forget it this is just something else i want to ask you are you free monday night dinner yes but a piece come over if you will because a sakaguchi and dinner coming for dinner and i thought it would be rather pleasant way for you to pick up
that to friendship or whatever inequality you have no ratings yet at arena yes a like to them because he's really very sweet and you've become very devoted to me and had him over here once for a luncheon and i've been the cause of data two or three times that the soda to see him and i send
in some jam and marmalade and different things like never had before he goes to and that would come but while they're coming corner of six between them
and i thought this would be a good time for you to renew that them that friendship per as it burned because it wasn't earn your friendship is i remember it was get to be acquaintance with them without looking engine yet without any are you know temple business and our because just coming here and and dana
is it has left the sodo now but not to but he's going live close by so that he can continue his sons and and go for the all sessions you know
something because he wants to have worked more on his japanese language hinder he's not here and he needs more food than it's possible for him to get any thinner year and i think that's strong enough you can sing the other day i took my was very glad you made that decision that the jacket that's on happen
yeah we could just see the up mean bro she said the other day and now temples or those are fairly well geared for producing priests
rather than enlightened men he didn't add that
i took it that he might add a
we might benefit by wondering from today he might talk about if you the roof use them yes we are what i'm trying to get something of a picture of the range of personalities and and personal his reason and types and styles that you've been created with well
je veux devotion is one of my very good friends and a topic to roshi
the came out of near shinji my acquaintance with him began when he was about thirty six years old it's a long time ago when he's now about seventy and i he was then he had done his income from the old roshi of new shinji and that time he were changing had eighty
monks and the old man was too old to handle all of them and they needed a a deputy roshi and of when he was some when he had finished his then study and he was only thirty six
the a was appointed deputy roshi i don't know how much time elapsed between is getting his teaching income and he's been given this position in addition to that i can say but i am my acquaintance with him first began when i was invited to a party at muir shinji
for him in a celebration of has been made the a deputy roshi and he was so shy the big man and they're shy and she's like a country boy and he is a country boy he's still a country boy but he's a big man as
and some moan about two twelve years ago i guess i'm a token could she needed a console and roshi things were kind of rickety have to book cheap and the president dirt and roshi a mere shinji one now i believe as a young
your brother of took from devotion and he had stomach ulcers or something he wasn't a strong and according to what go to row she told me at the time and took a present or property decided to resign by that time he was full roshi ignition in order to give his
younger brother the chance to be roshi before he got sick and died and went on to do so he resigned and went to top object of his position their crypto gucci is a very large or a temple compound and rather sprawling and it needed
a good many repairs in the whole thing a lot of pulling together the sodo was pretty much shot i think in weren't very many monks there
and
he has taken hold of things extremely well and he is not in any way an intellectual man is rather is a rather talkative men the most talkative have any roaches i know but he's a very very fine person and he serve
how much more like valium
well in the sense like a catholic prelate or something like that who's interested in administration them that is so far for them you know he's he's just seventy i think he just to look younger than i
i you for your way i was calling hayashi roche i don't know i yeah she anchored you looking to any job
and i don't think that he has any other accomplishments then running a soda i believe he built a small smaller than know so now he has what to do you down here the other day
yeah i think he has something like fourteen months there now which is much more than he used to have in the beginning he had only four five and two was they have a huge said though he was very good to done a he let her i remember that you and the where's oh he's a very nice man he's a warm man
when he said the man who goes out to you when accept you and the wants to do for you in the sense of whatever he can be generous and being in there he can go i'm just a country boy i've had no education at all and i don't think he has had much in the way
a of scholarly education prodigy stand amongst the other lotions were critical opinions to they have of them
but that i wouldn't dare i've never heard any roshi speak about any other roshi but yeah of course as control tofu pucci he has a top position here in in in kyoto i don't know anything about any of your disciples
i only know one of them new one of them and but day he's no longer here and then
at one time i went to a regime my inch vocal to talk with in another of his disciples whom he had told me was living in the temple in regime with the idea of his past is possibly going to america being a candidate for going to america and that he was a
or he was one of this topic to she's airs from new shinji and regime is that far southwest corner of chicago
and he was a very nice man a small man a very energetic man man very neshin and very sincere but get anything but suited for american people
to you but though she would not be suited in any way for american people either i think because largely because he has no intellectual background had no intellectual
i don't think he know what to do against the questions and things that the ordinary western who would ask
but as a good man i mean as a as completely monastic man i have never heard any and in gospel volume of any kind of description complete they completely good man devoted to his temple devoted to his to his monks
there was big
i'm argue they are going to open that big zendo at tofu g in october you could actually the big gathering for for a rowdy
men's eyes lemon hundred anniversary well now the man had ten at a challenging he's also a very sweet friend of mine he's a small man he said
yeah also i suppose in his seventies he's back a little bird and he is an excellent painter
and i think kim and things of that sort of much more interest to him he only has had for years he's only had two or three monks in his and and i understand it's a very poorly run zendo and there
he he's a very sweet and very talented man he's very talented painter and i don't know whether he writes poetry or not but the i think he's very little as an administrator and but just a very sweet bird like little man
man
ah community become true these i suppose so i really haven't heard in the last few years whether the internet believe photos to an upvote from the government well i guess so they said been in operation home is but it said and never had more than two or three months
in the old days when after i first came over after the war to the old man who was the owner and editor of the nip of the m two guy which is buddhist religious paper lived in a henery of kenyan gp
and i used to go quite often to see him particularly after you get sick and i saw kenny do though she then many cards and he's been here to see me in the he sends me one of his little paintings every christmas and and new years and that he had a very good painter radio or really
a very good painter
well now there's near the mere shengli
ah new shinji roshi i do not know sort of southern ocean i really do i don't know him personally i've seen many times and i understand that he is an excellent excellent a soda man
but
what is
intellectual background is i know nothing about that he is the younger brother tofu could is i told you and he seems more and more you to get stronger and stronger each year so at least little heavier than it used to be in he looks very well he's a various
if you know turned on to see a very severe looking man whether they're small and very from mount them the truth the moon outright and they a rather a high breached in nose with rather ferry nostrils
and a he never goes out of the sodo he has no personal bankers yeah which is very troublesome to the near shinji boys and boys in the sodo because as one of them whom i know quite well told me once
when the she has dunk dunk as they will be go check out so we can go to the duncan's houses were almost sure of getting something or getting a p o getting t and thing that gang but he has no danfoss so when we go out the thank god so here and we get
a few pennies from the houses that we stop at long road and it's a pretty poor pickings
but he never gives lectures him and he never gives the lectures outside he has no and liaison chi's or or taisho chi's he is completely devoted to his can be so go into his men is
total life if they're so they say and i say i have never even i've never been introduced to the moon
i've never had any special reason to and the
and i think that will build laws was there he had nothing yet he insisted upon bills taking sunday which phil did not like and presented very much but he was forced to do anything for its day
but i'm more than that i really don't know about him rebellion your by the moon was removed from ocean yeah well i don't i don't know i i suppose he must have come out on the ocean you but that i don't know about and a yamato money is
little man and the just about as busy as they come he's that very opposite from the sodo man a mere shinji he is busy with chi's and newspaper articles and television performances and
a meeting people are going here and there he's a busy beaver all the time he's paid back now he's president the amazon die
which are doesn't mean much except that they're his name is there because professor kimora that most of the work there but tim
but i will tell you you know how he looks like is a generous man but the roofing you've never seen him but he's very small to and he has no chin he has rather permanent teeth he's not a sweet lucky and he's a certainly
very interested
in having foreigners come to show how could you reaches so sodo in kobe brown and to eating
this is a city so don't show for good show for pathetic as an end and he is there when he has time to be there
he lives in emergency temple and has various kinds of all kinds going on in this mere shinji temple lay and so far as i mean amazon and chi's and lecture chi's and all sorts of things going on there
and a he does get down to show gee i guess for
the for earth
or sessions cronies are you gonna hurt frequently resents her work quite frequently it though she ought to live in the saga of your research is a million decision to through the left wondering down with their present them on the ball coming doing some concrete by regular well let's see something in earthing that according to my big my
but i have heard it's a rather you than the be so many probably a the from the federated notion what frequent france
i don't know i don't know i'm sure that he said he doesn't mind mobile advertising for himself he could learn a booklet
yes he gets a his lectures taken down on tapes and things like that and then published and then
where are we become to no no he had no connection with the to be just a he lives in me a shinji on emissions eleven asthma he was a been good and really well i think he's the president of hundred on a date and he lives in the i think rail and in his temple in neosho
angie
and whether he came out of mere shinji whether he was a monk admissions you before that i don't know i think he must have been to be living in the ocean you now they have this temple and there
but i suppose show who could you must be connected with merchant you must be some soda or new shinji
and the he is said he would like to go to america he talks about going there to teach am
i am i think he's rather than given the grueling from the mouth is a matter of fact as my didn't you know him
although the first time i ever met him