In March, Zen Center was very pleased to welcome Huitzu Suzuki Roshi, son of Zen Center's founder, Shinryo Suzuki Roshi. Huitzu was visiting us from Japan, where he is currently Tanto, or head of practice, at Eheji Temple. This talk is followed by questions and answers. Long time ago, maybe 10 years ago more, I stayed at Tasahara Zen-do. Somebody, his nickname is Dragon, and Dragon asked me, do you like Zazen? I think, I'm not, I'm not, I don't like so much Zazen. He was very surprised.

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You are a Zen monk. You are a Zen priest. Why you don't like? Yeah, it's okay. Next time I went to Tassahara, somebody asked me, still you don't like the Zen? And I say, don't see the same view for me. I feel my hands every time. Every time and different, not same. At that time, I don't like. because a little bit sleepy, tired. Human's fear, mind, moment to moment, different, change, move.

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This time, now, at Colorado, very hard me. Yeah, it's okay. Michael Wenger, you know, Michael Wenger said, like, dislike, it's okay. Just do the Zen. And she... Draw, draw dharma's form. Good saying. Light, dislike, it's okay. Just sit, do it. Zazen.

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Zazen is like, don't like. People always move, moment, moment, moment. Christian weather is very cold, nighttime cold, morning cold, but daytime is warm. Finish the session and come here. Four hours more drive.

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Dessert. Drive, please. Long, long drive. Not mean drive. And praying and come here. Night time come here. I wake up this morning. I look around. Big change. I don't think Same, same country. Colorado here. This is very green and wet.

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Many bird singing. Yeah, four horses. Each place different view. I'm very lucky. I'm happy. Colorado have a big mound. have snow, cooling, very good. Each place have good thing.

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I think people may be same. This morning I went to the ocean. And the middle way I come back. And I look at a farmer, some lady planting Small seed. I asked him and she, how about that? What is this? This seed. Lettuce seed.

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One small box, each one seed. Just look. She do. Just the tiny, tiny seed. At this time I asked her, what is Buddha? What? What is Buddha? She, what? I don't know. And she, I think, good answer.

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Best answer. I don't know. And she do. And I say, I'm sorry. Excuse me. Thank you very much. And I come to my room. It is, I think, It is some story, world story. Zen, people said, Zen is good. Zen is very good. We need Zen mind.

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Real ways. forget the same way. Buddha's way. Buddha. Forget. Just do one thing. At the time, maybe come. Maybe do Buddha's way. Maybe come, Buddha. Do you understand? My English is okay? No. Yeah. I'm worried. I don't know.

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I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Sometimes help me. It's very difficult. My language is very small. Youth talk is very difficult. I'm a big master, Dogenzenji. Dogenzenji wrote Tenzo Kyokun. Tenzo is a kitchen.

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Kitchen? Chicken? Kitchen. Kitchen. Kitchen. Kitchen muscle. Cook. Cook master. At Zen Sangha. Who is this tempur, Tenzo? Who? No. He's in the kitchen. Oh, good. Yes. No need. No need. No need. Just cook.

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This is Tenzo. This is Tenzo. Dogenenji wrote Tenzo Kyokun. Tenzo is a master. Kyokun is a teaching. Teaching, yes. In this book, three minds, three hearts, three minds. One is... Pleasure. Pleasure. Pleasure. Delight. Glad. Joyful mind. Joyful mind. Joyful mind and old mind.

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Old mind. I said parental. Parental, like parents. Parental. And first one is great mind. Great mind. Joyful mind. Old mind. Old mind. Yes. See, number three mind is a big mind. First mind is a joyful mind. We must cook or walk. Walk. [...] No. I read that.

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and joyful mind. Because Tenzosho cooked for Buddha and cooked for people, monks, and cooked for Dharma. It's Because monks treasured our Buddhist country, Buddhist people. Dogen Denzha went to China.

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At the time, Chinese monk, Tenzou Shou, do nine bow to phase two, zendo, zazen, or phase three, and the nine bow, After cook and sit, Naim Bao. Same time, monks, people sit on the Tan. Zen Zosho Bao, Naim Bao. This meaning is a please, please eat this food. Please. Please eat. And the number of two Buddha, two monks, Dogenzenja, big surprise, big surprise.

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until Dogenzenji never saw that ray. And Dogenzenji thinking food is very important thing. our same practice. And Dogenzenji wrote three my glad and joyful joyful mind, need joyful mind cooking.

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We must think about my self-life I now take life. It's a very glad thing. And I can walk. I can move.

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I can sometimes laugh. It's a good thing. But therefore we do with joyful mind doing everything. And next mind is old man's mind. This is a parent's mind. Parents have a warm heart to children.

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animals or green things have a warm heart to children. This warm mind, warm heart is a whole world whole world, whole karma's mind, everything has. We have, we must have this mind with cook, with work. As a mind, it's a big mind.

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Great, big mind. In Rinzoyan, maybe you were around in your mid-twenties maybe. And recently I know you've gone to Ahiji and your son met that Rinzoyan. What has that been like for you? Do you have any stories that you would like to tell us about being at a Heiji or your son at Rinsohin? Any stories about being at a Heiji or any stories about your son at Rinsohin? Any stories you'd like to tell? Someday some priest came and met me.

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He said, you must go to Eheji. Because Eheji no Tanto. Tanto is go out from Ehiji, go out to his temple. Therefore, Ehiji no Tanto. Tanto is some position, sangha. I'm not a teacher, but Tanto is a teacher. Teacher for a monk. We see, monk.

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And I, at times I, I can't teach him. I can't. I don't like. I'm now very happy in my temple. Because therefore I... I don't like. But A.H. Kanin said, everybody wait you. Yes. I said, yeah. My years. Just three years.

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Now, two years. Two years. Ten months now. More two months. Stay aged. I think so. I want two months. And... My son, my disciple, his name is Shungo. Shungo now keeps my temple being so in. People, my temple's members say that

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about my son, my disciple Shungo. He's good. He's good. But I think not enough. Not yet. People say, he's very good and young. I'm 68 years old. Some member, this I remember, now is

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No need you. But I am, I think, you know, I am about to be sewing. No move. Maybe people push. No. Our life, people's life, almost like that, yeah? Want.

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won't stay same place, same seat. Someday, someday I will stand up, just sit. And maybe will go somewhere. Where is somewhere else? I am 68 years old. My father, same age. My father went, gone, 68 years old. If somebody says, right now you must go to the other world.

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What I think. Okay. Yeah. Not yet. Please more. I think so. Please more. Please. This is human. How can you be simple?

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How simple and pure all the time? She said, simple and pure. If your life is simple and pure, maybe you don't think about this, never feel. You cannot feel pure, simple. If you don't think about pure, simple, it is good for you.

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For your time. You can't understand it. If simple or pure, you can't feel it. You can't feel it. if you don't think about being pure and simple. In Tibet, the monks are resisting the Chinese Government?

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Fighting? We've been in the past year. I just heard about this this morning. What is the practice? under oppression or a Buddhist. I must sit with... with...

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fight so much. This mind I cannot anything, sitting with other people. I cannot do anything about that. My way, my job is for myself and them, front of my, front of my, my, myself, people.

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With, together, sit, that then, thinking, believe. Dogen then said, if one person is sitting there, then Samadhi, she comes to the other. At the same time, the whole world, everything, become Buddha. Become open to enlightenment.

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Not me. Only me. Not only me. whole of world and everything take enlightenment and become Buddha. My sitting there then is very small, small, just one thing. But just one thing is someday, sometime.

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Whole, become whole world. This is Zen practice Zen way religion. I cannot. also you cannot fix people's mind, cannot touch. It is sadness karma.

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We have many good things, bad things, many things in my body, in my mind. Therefore, we are sitting with many things. Many bad things, good things, many karma. Pushing myself, my mind, and sleeping. Sometimes sleeping. What do you say, what do you teach about breathing in Zazen?

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Yes. Yes. Our breathing is not my breathing. This is natural. This is the whole world, cosmos. because we cannot stop by my mind, cannot stop.

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Something, somebody, my body. Therefore, we are breathing when I'm breathing. This breathing is world. cosmos of breathing, not me, not my breathing. This breathing, my mind, my mind attachment

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With my mind, breathing. At the time, we sitting, big, big sitting, big talent. And sometimes we do like that, long, long breathing. I think this comes from ego.

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is natural. Dogen then said, breathing is not long, not short. This meaning is... Don't think about breathing. Think

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Long breathing, or short. Don't think it. Just natural breathing. Natural breathing is not long, not short. 工夫自分自分で工夫をするあなたが自分で工夫する工夫

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Who is the Zen? Seeking? Seeking. What do you do? What do I do? What do I do? What do I do? My breath. How to do. All the time how to do. Not long, not short. In Colorado, you said something about breathing that was very helpful when you were talking about Chino doing one thing.

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You said, from the beginning of the exhale to the end of the exhale, one thing, exhale, only. The beginning of inhale to the end of inhale, doing one thing only, inhale. Yes. It was very helpful for me. That's the way. It's just a breath. It's just a breath. I heard you speak of work this morning saying, I like work, don't like work, don't think just do.

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But isn't it important to consider and to think, what is my work? How do I do my work? What is the effect of my work? How can I make my work better? Yeah, so this morning he said, thinking about whether you like it or not like it, just forget about that. But he wasn't saying, don't think about what's good work. He just says your likes and dislikes, just put those aside and do your good work. Like you're climbing the seas. You think that's good? If you don't like it, you still plan. If you do like it, you still plan. But he's not saying these are the good things you're trying to do, so you should think about it.

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Don't get involved in likes and dislikes. Like? Don't like? It's okay, just sit. Just sit. This is with breathe. Just one thing. This is sitting there. doesn't wait a long way, long, long way, but need just one, just one sitting.

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Like this light. It's okay. Just sit. Just sit is good. Straight and breathe. With my mind, do my thing. This is sitting there. Like, don't like, don't think about that. Just sit. Straight body. And the natural, natural, quiet, breathe. What makes your heart sing every day?

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What makes your heart sing every day? Thank you. ... [...]

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月香げ世の中は何であろうか Our world is, what is our world? It's just like a water bath, eat something, drink, and after, like this, Small water drop.

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Small water. Moonlight come to the small water drop. Little shine. and going down in the pond. Our lives, our life like that. Small, but small and short, but bright. Have Moonlight.

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So you go to Kana. Your life is long, long or short? You short, don't. I ask, I... I asked my grandmother, he went, gone, 89? 89? 89. A little before, I asked her, huh, your life is wrong or is it short? He said, Gone and short. So there, why?

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I think if my teacher, my father, if he lived life a little longer, Maybe he wants more little. But same time, he thinks, it's OK.

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He said to me, he looked, His hand looked, oh, I am too, any, everything, many things. I do many things by my hand, my life. I came to America and from Japan, I do many things. Look. Hand is a baby sometimes.

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Look like that, baby. This is, I think, feel my life. Before death, before. Same doing. Feel my life. Like a baby. Maybe he thinks, thought, I'm enough now.

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And he said, my life is longer than my teacher, gyokuzun son. Gyokuzun son, 40, no, 50, 54 age. Maybe. Was you 54 years old? No. He said, my life is longer than 10 years longer. Not 10 years longer. I have enough.

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Maybe his mind, his thinking is enough, who want more makes. This is life. This is human. Some Zen master, when they died, some disciple asked to master, how about you?

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How about your fear? He said, I don't like dead. Small boys, I don't like dead. What? He is big. He is very big, big, glossy. What? And he said, I don't like dead. And again, he said, I don't like that. this saying, many meanings, many, many meanings.

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One meaning, I am, I am, don't like, some meaning, I don't like, for, for maybe people. I want to do more something, work, maybe help. Help people, help people. Many, many, many.

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I don't want to die. I don't want to die. Thank you very much. He said, what is it? What [...] is it? Big person, heart, big mind.

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Because big person have big mind. Therefore, I don't want to die. Do you understand? I don't understand.

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to me. My brain doesn't walk more. When your mother was getting on the plane to go back to Japan, she said, at the airport, and she said, no more English. Thank you. They're never away.

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They're never away. They're never away. They're never away.

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