Death and Rebirth Part 2

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how are you
i was explaining that
mahayana buddhism
what
indian is principal
export
to the civilization of asia
and then
i basically is an attitude to life
based on complete no fear
are you could call it not clinging to things
if they found the realization that you are not just your organs and your physical body you are only and taken her eyes psyche
but the you even if you don't know it consciously not as you know know consciously how to grow your hair
you are
fundamental reality
which is beyond any limitation of time or space your it you lot there is
the hindus have a thing for this thing that they call the problem of the up yourself
the blood is simply modify this by saying if you'll have a symbol of it which is something you believe in
as one might say believe in god or believe in heaven or life after death on in the model so the fact that you believe is still an act of the cashman or clinging
which is unnecessary
and so an unnecessary thing is what we would call gilding the lily all they use a wonderful phrase in zen buddhism with legs on the snake
now legs embarrassed to sneak it needs to be an notes and guild kills the living
so the breasts have worked out
a religion of no village
that just say i'm not believing in anything at all
not because they believe that reality is nothing's
but because believing is unnecessary it's gilding the lily
so this was the the fundamental idea of this morning's lecture
now i want to go on this afternoon
to put some of this in a kind of systematic and historical perspective
now that you all know where we are in time and space and model is above now and in the heat
the know the funny thing is that the indians
i have no sense of history whatsoever
this is one of the fundamental gripes the western scholars that when they read all the documents the indian literature
there is no historical consciousness from here
and so you don't know what period it comes from
to begin with
they didn't start writing anything down
until about two centuries bc
maybe a little before prior to that everything was transmitted orally
and nobody has the faintest idea how far back it goes
the average educated guess today is that the to punish odds
go back to about eight hundred bc they are the collins
which represent the standpoint of their daughter
lay down means counter are almost our end or completion almeida
data is our web video video to see
did your knowledge
and so the most ancient scriptures of india are called data on them you see and they are poems in the mythological form and they will punish us cause you to invade our contact and as say the completion of division and they tell you the secret the inner meaning that analyzed
nephrology
so let us assume that the most educated guess as follows today is that the text called invaders are about fifteen hundred bc and the text call and punished out round from approximately eight hundred
two will considerably earlier
a hundred to
at least one hundred and some even later than that at the major will punish shops such as debris had around yoga the king of will punish out the issue punisher the mundo que of undershot all those are relatively early
so they will be anywhere from eight hundred to
to six hundred
prior to the time of the butter
barksdale you see that we are very vague about when all this started
because the vedic tradition was brought to india
from somewhere
in central asia
the aryans who constitute the costs the ruling
people of india have done so for hundreds and hundreds of years came from somewhere to north
and have a common ancestry linguistically with our european languages
but they have no sense of history
if you write a story about a certainly
the king who was involved with a sudden stage you also the name of the king
every time you retell the story you you simply making the king of depressing time because they it becomes relevant
so nobody knows
the gym was on the other hand had a sense of history
i'm a very particular about when well what happened
and so it's far easier to make clear days about the old customer
and i'm out of with archaeological remains and it is anything from india
discussion india is a
tropical country where everything became very quickly
it is a kind of swarming lively as larvae or turnover of life so no one can be sure
when all this started
so to be able to give buddhism vega relatively late for them out of indian culture the dates are a little bit more certain than they are with interesting
so we know
are gautama the buddha live shortly after six hundred bc
but we are very very answer as to what he taught
there are two great sections of buddhist scriptures
one is written in the pali language and the other in sanskrit
although the sands most of the sanskrit texts no longer exist
and after they started in either to that know chinese translations
western scholars are largely of the opinion that the party books represent
more definitely authentic teaching of the butter and sanskrit once
although there's room for debate on this still
polly is a a sort of colloquial south indian form of sandpit
the for example if you say deal on in sanskrit you say new daughter and ali if you say com and sandwiches they come in bali and softened
so all a southern forests terror bombings in the artists
make the pali texts that are authority
and the earliest poly hex that we have are written on strips and palm leaf like to just about so long with characters that look like almost all of them are indistinguishable from the figure eight unless you are very close by
and they have their holes in the middle of believe so they can be strung together and set between two parts of would
why now when you look at this record of the buddha's teaching you read questions
the thousand
no human being sitting around in conversation with other people than ever spoke news five
isn't instead it is not natural conversation what it is is a highly tabulated
home up
instruction tabulated in order to be memorized
so that it easy to remember things if you're classified under one two three four five six and they've nine ten felt that all buddhism is all numbers there are three characteristics of be do car factory and gap impermanence are not man now
no self that are four steps the how noble truths
there are eight stages of the noble eightfold path there are ten photos that are twelve
elements are the chain of dependent origination
everything is known
and this therefore takes us back to a time before writing
when everything had to be committed to memory
now it is conceivable
that i was going to talk to you and i will go to examine you like to be sure that you would i understood everything i said that i will number my remarks and say now watch remember first this echo that showed that and i haven't talked adwords is what was the first thing while the second thing was the third thing
but the style of those positive scriptures so artificial
and everything is repeated again and again and again
so that is quite obvious thing
something that months did and put together on a wet afternoon not even to do
action it is terribly boring and i simply don't advise anybody except a serious scholar wants to call it off and get the results ever to bother reading the pollen scriptures
the advantage of the christians who see as they have this inevitably beautiful english bible translated under the reign of king james and it is so exquisitely down with the jews with great poets and very readable other scriptures are boring to the extreme
no exceptions
so there's this body of scholarly literature which is called keep the com gp to come in three baskets
because the palm leaf manuscripts were stored and baskets and three big basket constitute the condition of haryana of their own person
in addition to this that is the mahayana
canon law volume scriptures which is one of the single biggest parties of literature that the load
it is somewhat larger than the encyclopedia britannica
and got a the official additionally existing today is called passionate as nokia which is a japanese edition of the chinese texts
and the other is called a conjurer how your which is a in addition but that's not too easily come by
but the standard edition of the of guys okay with a great bass collection of volumes all in chinese sounds naked with the sanskrit scriptures
now
again the general opinion of scholars
is that the mahayana sutras are from the data time
down the butter
raising a the the important text in this collection range and origin from one hundred bc approximately two about four hundred eighty
and so according to the standards of western scholarship these are honduras
they are attributed to the butter
but actually composed by individuals living in a lot better
now our morals are literally morals would say this was roger and that have a bad intent but this is a modern idea
if we go back to western scriptures for example was the
look at the apocalypse so called the wisdom of solomon

the song of songs are tribute to some the book of problems in the old testament the trilogy song
it is absolutely inconceivable that some wrote these books the book of deuteronomy is attributed to moses it is absolutely impossible that moses wrote the book of did run
but why is this attributed to most is because the actual writer of this book was too modest to give it his own name
and he would therefore say i feel that i have been into a center of my consciousness that is beyond me
and i'm reporting things from a level of my be which i cannot play with my have therefore i have to ascribe the authorship to a person who is archetypal histology represents wisdom
so not the hebrew right visitors certain period of history when they felt that they were in touch with real wisdom would feel that the model to say i
ishmael ben ezra
i looked at the spot in my a neighboring countries that would be very modest i say this was a revelation from someone
this in those days before copyright you know was considered the the ethical thing to do so in exactly the same way when
in in buddhists living long after the border living say at the university of nalanda
ah
around the beginning of the christian era or later
no don't know lambda as later than that the takes us for two hundred eighty specifically to called naga june
who lived about two hundred eighty loves the brilliant genius of the whole my on the movement
we don't know whether or not and naga i wrote the scriptures he commented on are only wrote the countries
there's a huge body of literature in sanskrit is known to us these goods tibetan and chinese translations called probably about a metre as i explained to you means intuitive wisdom meet up going across
that is to say to the other shore
wisdom for crossing into the other shore
an almost all of this literature has been translated into english and with cozy
in some food and get selections from the list of at which is now available in paperback
in the hopper torch book series buddhist texts through the agents for the average
was he who does not want to be a specialist scholar but once because a good idea while all this is about this is it
this as excellent selections from all types the buddhist literature and especially this class
and i
it is conceivable that naga jr
wrote
the scriptures
in labor with the butter
and others did too
but they were simply
if by their standards too modest to say this is mind they are saying it comes from the deeper level of consciousness than my ego and therefore is the bullets
now you see an hour models that's forgery in their lungs is not
so in buddhism
you don't have the same problem that you have in christianity
in christianity we want to know what were they this no doubt about the very words of jesus and what was a late addition because the authority is so peculiarly involved in the historical jesus in buddhism this is not the case
m on the buddhists in general feel that
buddhism is like a tree
but a plan to proceed and later the tree grows
very definitely
you see in christianity jesus is the only incarnation of god
the questions orthodox christians will on the whole argue that will never be there was never another incarnation of god
but in buddhism
it is of the essence of the thing that photos can appear in the world a gave her gave them again any one of you can become a buddha
so there isn't this
fastening you have authority to a particular historical time in place
so then we could be the buddhist scriptures
represent although although they are all attributed to the buddha
they represent a and uncovering our questions with the vulgar rate
now for this purpose it's important to understand one thing that has not made there
we'll all at all of a clump of i've ever had
buddhism
you are
absolutely fundamental a dialogue
and the dialogue with you and want to change between a teacher thousand and require
how will he do for fun
why book often from a not a good for know
there are no keeping with liquidity
everything you will find days advocate your flu that can have a question thing
let go to very common for fine whatever the open your problem with suffering
look out that drama suffering of the problem that's what we need that the whole idea of a problem i thought that i have a problem
though if you don't like and will say how do i not suffer
and we'll go to a white guy and a will pay
i'm anxious i'm afraid i'm the that and the our how do i not good
the butter arm for for this question
you will stop the quality of the moment
it who did the desire your desires will never be frustrated and so you already suffer
so
what might happen if you didn't desire
now this is not a teaching it is not saying you ought not to desire
it is a request for making an experiment
could you possibly not desire
shelley enquire goes away and he makes this experiment
he says can i possibly get rid of my desires
and either covers in the costs of making this experiment that he is designed to get rid of this design and that and so he returns to the teacher and says it is impossible not to die
because in trying not to rely on design
and the teacher says you're getting warmer
at me
these sneak in every can every respect everything that the border ever suggest that is of should do was by nature of an experiment
what is an never uttered in time or pitching
what it was actually after all it describes are various experiments you can make to get on the road
so he did up the nature of it that is a dialogue in the many of the books of the earliest scriptures are called dialogue to the bullet
so
i did this lifted is very very naughty dog with that are the all the records inscriptions are emitting
one the earth thing we now that when i was in starting a thirty blue within my team i met a wonderful japanese sounded cook with up and he played me
good a pod
three time will be
look how that the world of we will be suffering and you care a problem i'm not going without help and he said
border are ph
know how to combat all new muga more than eight on the yeah how can the wrong the nitya the
the
i heard that one
the
have an
the whole idea of the
the income
you encounter say what the truth is
so there is no dogma
all you do is you you get going a dialogue
the effect of which is to counterbalance people's wrong with you or partial view
all but isn't this view the way you look at see so the first step of the noble eightfold path is called some yeah drishti which means some yeah i'm perfect
our some salvation comes eventually from the sanskrit some job
public view
there's a wonderful story about suzuki was getting caught on buddhism the university away
lavender he was going through the founder who chose the gotten fat one
andrea he was
lazing around me how often are looking for students half asleep proceed is as often as an album
and he's a forest type of noble eightfold path is
shawn be mean right view concrete view
ah but isn't news view you are right you have or a prison
right view is no special view several step on no break for faster i forget second step europe it up
have forgotten
so i told her the story
to my lotta rosie the kyoto and he sat down
first i'll noble eightfold path in japanese shell can show means correct be an issue he said his
huh

so
what you have to understand that perception that you can't look up the teachings of buddhism in the same way that you could look up the teachings of hegel kant spinoza jesus christ thomas aquinas aristotle and so they don't exist
all it has been written down is the dialogue that leads up to the understanding
somebody raised the question and was born into discussions about whether you need it out of people
he was it and i e
either way you do because this is the leader vuguru and the girl is not necessarily with somebody who is a qualified master guru is something against mature box
it may be a book it may be your own reflection in the mirror said i myself that i
but
this the dialogue is the way in prison
you been listening to alan walls with hard to from the seminar solid emptiness be like a cassette copy of this
we gonna walk with him
well that gives people were given do they can't stand to be that insecure
therefore at this time as the with everything is other question certain types of people rush with secure
that's how back
but governments cannot work
and so people go involved in england in the see the roman catholic church until the time of hope
john
was getting the hang of it will have shelley pilot
they were getting more and more obscure
the last thing they did with maybe the dominant that the virgin mary's looked not bother the in the hem
the true
because they were working on the theory that the success of the church is it becoming as of guarantees to comparable
don't get an inch this is the attitude of cardinal on how me
don't give an inch to modernism liberalism free thinking is a scientist or anything stick to the old tom
because if you will believe that shows that you're tough mine
don't have any trump or in days the watering down the gospel the love how you can use all the terminology watering it down
so if you believe it that literal way you can catch yourself on the back and say i am a strong fellow and gussie
but the old wise pope john know suddenly realized that this was working
and that's a very serious thinking to be done about them judges whole precision and then it now because the pope john they put themselves out on them and the something that's gonna happen now birth control our relationship to none of the other christian denominations that will within everybody they've extent
yeah they they don't come through the job and say it's better that
so i'm proposing a few ideas that will help them to the genius
now ah
the difficulty is you see for christians
that they they like to emphasize
the important distinction
and they always criticize hindus because hindus says everything is ultimately want
that's not exactly what he'd do say they is something a little bit more subtle than that they say it's not a do
but if i may i said i was going to tell fairy tales so i'm going to keep the simple language we're not going into philosophical sciences let's just say with the sake of on the hundred and to say that everything is ultimately one
everything is finally the south of the immigrants to locker come on
and now the christians say about that that's that's very interesting very bad andrew
because a the christian would say if everything is one
and that describes all values it means that the good as the same as the evil ultimately the law come out in the wash the villain is just as good as the hero
that the disease is rarely the same thing as health
that crime is the same as virtue
and that's how there is related to the distinctions
between values that robots or between people
dow and i aren't really important
because in the end they all end up realizing when the same
now that's true
there is the other is a very great value in distinctions
when they said you know that all the really very much difference between women and then some this v blocker in here at once
because that's the joy of will live in a man big different
and so
as one a new poverty said run facade he said i love sugar that i therefore don't want to become sugar
so differences are important
but there is a tendency in christianity to think that differences are not important and best they are absolute differences
and they are christianity becomes a little bit sketchy
because they're saying that things are not important
distinctions in particular are not important and as they go on forever
now that's absurd
where'd you go to a concert and you can listen to what master musician
do you want the concert live on forever
obviously not
one hour of high fences great
ten years of high is without stop might be a little difficult
the thing is that a some it's important that it doesn't last for
just as it's frightfully pot
that you my dear parents i'm infinite infinitely hole in the wrong if you were i can see you
will be no room for me
on
or if i were infinitely long you know where me to leap you wouldn't even know i was hit up but couldn't couldn't hands on
like you know the one woman bad a very tall man and then that in for the last for desertion and
so ah
in this way then it is ridiculous
who insist too much upon differences
the thing about differences is
that good differences
interesting difference
all dependent on a basic human do
even battles even where we going to fight to the death about whether you're right or i'm right we can engage in this bad one let's we have something in common
we must have a field of battle tweedledum and tweedledee agreed that the back
and you can have a battle between the tiger and the shock because they have nothing in common they did a different elements
so under all conflict under the warfare between the dog and lucie fla
there must be something in common
but christianity
doesn't admit that publicly
the devil is wrong wrong wrong
and he has nothing to visit
he out of his own
have bus
african downloadable malicious mind in bed with you
and there will never never be any restitution
the devil down himself accommodate delivered minute he and the beginning of time did the first evil thing
there was no excuse for it and medication nothing he is out
and if you join forces with the devil you're out to
that's the good old nephew to
whereas on the contrary hinduism as it is based on the idea of dramatics
and that means it's view of the universe is basically claim
a drama is a play
the stage is divided from the auditorium by the proscenium arch
and that op says and that happens behind this artisan and series
it's only the play
so when
the hero stabbed the villain you know that that's a sword in which the play shoots up into the hammer was much it doesn't read as damning
but the great actor
is the one who gets the audience on the edge of the chance
with anxiety and expense as he owns presupposes that it isn't a room
now that's the hint and wine here
that the audience is long
and the active is more
and the law has acted so well the he has deceived himself and then just again
he has however way way to the back of his mind while the germans called a hint of enough
which means the him official
and it's a big gap and every one of you as that in indiana
otherwise you wouldn't be able to have the courage warn them
the thing you really to capacity or something wrong and some people that's the very devil to get them to remain where they defend themselves against think
well this isn't real
the light is play the old couldn't feel my way
oh
derek
and so is a the actor who they are understand
trying to convince the audience that it isn't the play off the all
after for a while the audience and thrill
then the actually
go back to the green room behind the scene
but there in the greenroom everybody takes off his mask and his costume
starts playing roles the sealed his order them yourself
the actor in the green room becomes again the common man who do you suppose the common man is
now we have degraded the meaning of the common man
today the common man english
any
average moron
the real meaning of the common man is the man capital m who has come to us all man we all have in common and otherwise the the month itself the album cut mom the one that we all are no on one big style meditate
it's in which no pumps so on one because most many persons through which the lives of consciousness council
so
back in the greenroom
hamlet
comes to compliment
and of cost though they retire there and then they come out that before taking off and often they come in from for the curtain call
and then the audience of for therefore the hero they applaud them
cause villain did a good show big them
and i wouldn't have been a play and it has been built about all played out are essentially a similar plot from a status quo everybody getting along all right and somebody comes in next message
bill and the whole flow of the plane is how what do we do what the little bit how do we solve problems of the villain propose
so he the cause a thing anything being jewish mythology you will realize that the devil the shutdown will saw l who originally called was the district attorney in the corner heaven
prosecutor
and he was the one who went around that whole of angels and other patrons and accused before the throne of god and said that fellow doesn't really believe in the whole book of job is about this
that satan is it is not the the christian them of job saved in the book of job is a viable servant upon a
he's not yet become the enemy thought
have you seen the man who is the prosecute always makes himself unpopular
the audience loves the underdog
and when you meet murder trials don't you always have a sneaky is hope that the man will get on
he didn't really do it don't you always penitent such a situation can pick a side against the district attorney
so it was poor district attorney and haven't became unpopular
and he got demoted to being a christian devil
an inlaid the book of joe the idea is to be the devil raisers without about joe flynn
he says the law do you think that's a great guy with the he really loves you really think
i'll tell you is nothing you just make it stop make him squeal then you will see what family
nephi month but the demo lost the wager
our job remain line
you can understand them the job unless you here in the light of that kind of coffee
on the line
so ah the hindu
he's taking the position
that nothing in this universe is vincent
and the christian is taking the position of quite opposed to that that it rarely is pair of his heroes and you're going better watch up
and the hindu faith
that's wonderful
dear all he loved the scabby the onto
you're gonna scare yourself in need
but i'm going to play it cool
you can come on the loreal funders
oh and it may be in the form of prophets and priests re from the bullet random visited it may be in the form of diseases plate estimates his defense you're going to make this universe seem very real to
but shall we have a bath
that's the other linda
he says i don't believe you
uk
now for the christian music that's an awful step to take caravan
would you look learn i'm faced the lord of the gambling trip
he's got the perfect poker face
we've got a handful of money you hold all the aces
but the lawn is looking at was that he had a better handle that
he will outpace you to them
to help you to play it again because it again
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