April 1st, 1979, Serial No. 00602

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The main effort of session is to concentrate. Although you may relive your life during sāsīn, still the main effort is always to concentrate. In a very roundabout way, I want to talk about that. Partly by discussing the recent Harrisburg, is it Three River Nuclear Station, which you must all know about, right?

[03:11]

A lot or not much? You can't know too much, because nobody knows much. Coming down here, it seems pretty far away. Although, in my own experience, and I think the larger experience of Zen Center, its existence has a lot to do with ...nuclear, that kind of event. I think you can't know too much about it, so... ...I'll tell you what I know about it from various sources.

[04:14]

Um, mostly you find out about it, you know, backwards. Like, yesterday they mostly denied there was any chance of a meltdown. And today the head of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission said the chances of a meltdown are less today than yesterday. Um, it's, there's some strange coincidences about it. One is that It's come out, it's happened, you know, at the same time as this movie, The China Syndrome, has been released, which is... describes a very, very similar accident, and a much less serious accident, in a relatively benign way, the movie describes it. And also, I'm told, I don't know, I didn't see it myself, but I'm told that in August, a Harrisburg newspaper wrote a fantasy prediction of what would happen if an accident happened at the plant. And they, in their fantasy, said it would happen March 28th, which is when it happened. This is an odd bit of information.

[05:52]

Anyway, it's got, particularly the East Coast, quite nervous. Even though Carter says he's going to go visit, people are actually leaving New York City, as well as all around Harrisburg. And now they're predicting an evacuation of several hundred square miles, and some people say 5,000 square miles, which is about 70 miles by 70 miles. If it does melt down, I guess the nuclear reaction is controlled by these rods that are in it. And I guess over half the rods now have melted. And for some reason the other rods they should be able to put in, they haven't been able to. And if it melts down, I think the danger of a nuclear explosion is Very small, I don't understand it enough to say, but pretty small. But the meltdown is, it gets so hot, finally, that it can't be contained any longer, and it melts through the floor of the plant. Through all the containers. And then it gets in the, it's called Three River Plant, I believe, and it's right in this river, wet area. And it gets into the groundwater, and turns the groundwater to steam.

[07:22]

And then a great cloud, steam cloud of radioactive material will blow, all the meteorologists are trying to work on it, blow some direction. And I've talked to people in the East who say they've just talked to somebody who's praying it blows South, and people in the South are praying it blows North, and some people are praying it blows toward Washington. And the only people who are optimistic are the Metropolitan Utilities Company. They seem to be quite optimistic that everything's okay. But the head of the NRC and the various people in the NRC are quite negative about it. This is by far and away the worst accident that's ever happened in the United States. Though I guess there was one in 57 or 58 in Russia which has left over a thousand square miles desolate.

[08:25]

They've flown in experts from all over the world. All of the United States people have been flown in, and all over the world people. At first, the utilities company people kept saying, why is this attracting so much attention? It's nothing. Anyway, these people have come in from all over the world, and none of them knows what to do. They're all quite mixed up. There's two sources. There's several sources of information on this. One is the newspapers and television. And then, surprisingly enough, KSAN, isn't that a rock and roll station? They have a person in Harrisburg, and he is... They have the best information so far, it seems. Except for the underground network. There's an underground nuclear watchdog network. Which I've been getting some reports from. Which has got more information than anybody. Except some of the papers have quite a lot, but aren't publishing it. I guess what's happening right now is that they have this bubble on top of the nuclear reaction. And they can't get the coolant in because of it. My understanding is pretty primitive, but I'll explain as much as I understand. So in order to get the coolant in, they've got to get rid of the bubble. But the bubble is...

[10:02]

All of these, when these things melt down, the rods and other things, they produce further chemical reactions. And release a whole lot of different things. And one of the things that's being released in this is oxygen. And the oxygen is combining in the hydrogen bubble. And it's presently 2% oxygen. And they say it will get flammable soon and then explosive. And the longest range prediction is 24... Days, and some people predict, though, a day or two. And there's disagreement whether it'll be explosive at 5% oxygen or 8% oxygen. But once it gets around 5% oxygen, if it explodes, then the plant will explode, where the reactor is will explode, and all this stuff will come up. So instead of getting the ground water, it'll come up directly. And already the pressure in the building has built up to 30 pounds per square inch, which is only... which is half of what it will contain. 60 pounds per square inch, the building will come apart. So... But everyone keeps saying it's alright. One of the things they're worried about, you know, is that the social impact of an evacuation of a million people

[11:24]

...is virtually as great as a nuclear accident, as an explosion. So I think they're putting off the evacuation as long as possible... ...because if they have to evacuate that many people... ...the accident itself, as David's father says, is probably the coffin nail... ...in the nuclear power industry. Carter's still saying we have to have them as we'll learn a lot from this accident and so forth. Brown, on the other hand, is thinking of closing down the California reactors. These things are so fragile, you know, it's... There should be a... maybe a new commandment added to the... ten commandments, ten precepts. Don't start avalanches. Don't push a rock down a hill and try to run after it and stop it. Because we do things that we don't, that are beyond our ability to take care of. I mean, the same people, remember the ad that the nuclear people got out during the anti-nuclear people got out? Do you want your nuclear plant brought to you by the same people who brought you BART?

[12:47]

And it is, it's the same people building these plants, you know. And BART, you know, just in BART, though they have all this safety equipment, that last fire in the tunnel, I guess was as simple as the plastic seats, you know, burned, which caused a deadly gas, and then the train, the rescue train coming created a wind, which sucked the deadly gas into the tunnel, where it wasn't supposed to go, and killed the firemen. And it's just, that's pretty simple, but that's just one level of subtlety beyond which, you know, no matter how much machinery you make, it still expresses the options you can predict. And that's one of the options I guess they didn't predict, was that the plastic seats would produce this gas which the rescue train would drag into the tunnel by the wind of it. And you have such simple, you know, everybody says the This plant up near Sacramento, 50 miles from Sacramento, is safe, except that a few years ago, as you may have read, somebody broke a light bulb, which burned out the control board, which caused two tanks of coolant fluid to boil dry within something like two or three seconds. And luckily, some water from another tank accidentally spilled into it, which prevented a meltdown.

[14:17]

...was set, you know, like a broken light bulb. And then there's the one in Florida which had a toilet you couldn't flush while the reactor was in action. You remember that. Because... Because the toilet somehow took the water pressure off the system and... You know, this accident, you know, for somebody like myself and others who've been concerned about this for the last 10 or 15 years, It's so much I told you so. I've talked to so many of these national experts who say it's all okay, you know? It can't happen, but... I trust people... I trust people, you know, quite completely, that they mean what they say, but I don't trust that they know what they mean. Anyway, so... The problem is that none of the options are good, because if they wait... See, they're trying to let the gas... Well, one option is to let this bubble escape slowly, which is producing a lot of nuclear radiation in the atmosphere. And they say it's sort of... It's no worse than a dental x-ray, but who wants to sit under a dental x-ray machine for a week?

[15:48]

And you get in a dental x-ray, you get your full dosage for the year. So, one way is to try to let this bubble out slowly, but they can't let it out fast enough because the oxygen and the hydrogen is accumulating faster than they can let it out. And so another way they're trying to do is, in effect, lift the bubble in some method and quick dump coolant in underneath. But there's a danger that that'll cause the bubble to explode. And if they try that one, they're now trying to build an entire building of lead bricks around the building. To contain it, if it goes. They really, it's Mickey Mouse. They really don't know what to do. So the second day, you know, one of the reports in KSAN was, anybody who's even heard of a college degree has left town. He goes... That's a rather strange way of putting it. A lot of places had to be... Nursing homes and things had to be closed. They got children and pregnant women out fairly soon. Nursing houses had to be closed because nobody showed up for work. And pretty soon, maybe there won't be people who show up to do the cleanup.

[17:18]

Du vet, när de först exploderade den första atomiske bombe, som du kan vet, det vet sikkert ingen, men Hitlers forskarene ville inte bygge den atomiske bombe, fordi de trodde Hitler skulle få den, och de amerikanska forskare byggde den atomiske bombe, och det var en berättelse om Truman til Einstein osv, fordi de trodde Hitler skulle få den. And I believe when they exploded the first hydrogen, the first atom, they calculated that there was a chance, a million to one, that they would set up a chain reaction which would explode the universe. They thought this. So these scientists, as I understand it, created a death squad of people in special armor. who stood by, I believe eight people volunteered to do it. And they were supposed to, if it got out of hand, rush in at their own sacrifice and stop it. But it didn't. It exploded nicely and split nicely and so forth. But what's interesting is a group of scientists could decide to take a chance, even a million to one chance. They thought there was such a chance with all of us.

[18:36]

Like an artist, a painter decides to paint a painting. You have freedom of expression, but... This painting could do us all in. This whole, you know, it's like the economics of... Economists who say, Adam Smith types say, that because bees, bees don't know what they're doing when they build a hive and so forth. We don't have to know what we're doing when we build a society and just leave us all alone, we'll do okay. But there is, as Gregory Bateson says, an absolute coming up. I'd say we're in a kind of revolution of, which is led by the environment. And you can't, we can't let people do things just willy-nilly. One of the worst things, part of the reason I actually left the East Coast is because of the dumping of industrial waste. And there was a program on it recently, the other day on television, and there's one aspect of it which I didn't

[20:02]

I learned from this television program which I didn't really realize the consequences of. Which is that... Which is the scale of illegal dumping. And what's done, what illegal dumping is, if a company has a lot of these wastes that they can't get rid of from making pesticides and so forth, they hire Sort of, you know, shadowy truckers to take away the waste. And they'll take them away at like $50 a barrel. And they take them away under tarps. There was all these photographs taken by hidden cameramen who followed these trucks. And they literally take them, they dump them into the rivers and the reservoirs, anywhere. One of the tricks they do is they lease a piece of land. They lease 5 or 10 or 15 acres of land somewhere out. And then they keep buying these barrels from these companies at $50 being sold these barrels, being paid for taking away these barrels at $50 a barrel or so. They take them to this piece of land they've leased and stack them there. They stack, pretty soon there's 20 or 30 or 50,000 barrels. They've made themselves a few million dollars in a year. You know, the scale, it's interesting, the scale at which human beings, the scale at which it's important to them to receive money,

[21:28]

was so different from the scale of the consequences to them of the waste. People just don't perceive it. I don't think you can criticize the trucker doing it. He's just a guy. He finds out one young kid was doing it, 19 years old, and when he dumped these barrels into a place where he'd been dumping them, they just all exploded and killed him. Just by the combinations. But anyway, they lease this piece of land, and then they... When the lease runs out, they abandon it. Fold the company, and the guy who they lease the land for drives out to look at his land. There's 30,000 barrels of stuff leaking into the water system. New Jersey is the worst. But it's also Michigan, Louisiana, upstate New York. The East Coast is particularly. All of the water systems have got this stuff creeping into it. And a very high rate of You know, the place that's got the most publicity is the Love Canal, which was a canal that was filled with stuff, and then they put a housing development on top of it. But there's lots of areas which are like this, and are worse. But everybody living there is now having a high rate of respiratory diseases and cancer and so forth, and they're trying to sell their houses, and signs outside the houses say, We'll sacrifice, sell at any cost. And of course, nobody will buy the houses.

[22:53]

These people have all of their savings in the houses. They can't leave. They filmed this town meeting where the people are just screaming, you know. We're trapped. We can't get out. Who will buy our... What can we do? And they can't... You know, the people... Young people and old people have bought these houses. No one will buy the houses. And they have no real way to move. And they've already been contaminated with this stuff. Det är en stor mängd, så mycket av denna illegalisering av saker, bara någonstans. De dumpar det någonstans. De kan ta bort det utan att veta omkring konsekvenserna. Och en del av det som producerar det värsta, det producerar denna dioxin, tror jag, som är... ...omkring den mest farliga substans på jorden, som... ...kommer från pesticider och polyvinylchlorid och sånt. Och det... ...produceras särskilt av flera kemikalier som sitter samtidigt i grunden eller... ...i vatten.

[23:54]

And the government's not doing anything about it, because they interviewed a lot of governors and people like that, and they said, well, it's jobs, we have to keep jobs, and we sacrifice a few things, and so forth. And no one's ready to change their way of life. But this plant, if, whatever's happening with this plant, it's going to be some kind of, in Harrisburg, some kind of a watershed, because I don't see that it can be that people will want to live near a plant now that they've seen visibly what can happen. It's the main news all over the world, I think. Anyway, presently, no one knows what to do. I guess, as I said, maybe of the 36,000 rods which control it, over half have melted.

[25:01]

Paul Jacobs. Isn't that his name? Paul Jacobs? He, uh... He and... He met Suzuki where she was. I was supposed to get together with him on something recently. Actually, a year or two ago. But he died. And he died from covering the first nuclear explosion. He did a television program, or a film, which I haven't seen, but he interviewed all the other people who were there, who also covered it. And the program ends with them all, obituaries and all of them, all died since the Tobin program, from covering that first explosion. And the people who are doing the Karn Silkwood case, you know, all know about that, right? Came to see me the other day, wanting my, me to help in some way, which... Generally on that kind of thing I don't, but... Efter saying no for a couple of weeks, I thought about it and thought, well, it's the one issue which I really am concerned about, and so I met with him. And the case is interesting because I haven't found out enough yet to know what to do, you know. But the case is interesting because it exposes not just

[26:47]

The danger of nuclear power, but the danger of our social involvement, enmeshment in nuclear power. And what it looks like in this first trial, what it looks like the second trial will be, the defendant will be the FBI itself. Because it seems that in that case, the FBI and the CIA were involved in taking nuclear material from the Kerr-McGee plant illegally, Contravening, going around the international packs and shipping material for bombs to Israel and Iran and places. Illegally, you know. So somehow Karen Silkwood was on to that. So the CIA and the FBI don't want it out, that we were supplying not just peaceful use of nuclear material, but weaponry to countries. I don't know exactly what's something like that going on. She was the woman who was part of the China Syndrome movies based on her situation. She was the woman who seems to be quite definitely shoved off the road. And it's difficult for people to deal with it because no one really wants to deal with it in an American corporation who could kill somebody. But, you know what?

[28:17]

You know, I have... I seem to be part of a network of people which, because we have no responsibility particularly, we can hear things. What I mean by that is, for instance, talking with, say, the governor about nuclear power is quite different from talking to a person without responsibility because he can't take a position Because any position he takes has consequences. So you have anti-nukes. You'll get mad at, say, the governor, because he's not taking a position. They can take a position at no cost. If he takes a position, it changes the whole state of California. So he has to move very slowly, and what he's done now is stopped all nuclear plants in construction in California, or near construction. I mean, new ones. I don't know exactly where, but he's drawn a pretty firm line. But there's... there's a lot... there's a... There's a tremendous amount of... you know, I've told... told you some of it sometime, but... One of the things recently that I've been... finding out about is... I told you about the... Manchurian candidate bit, the billion dollars in my...

[29:47]

The U.S. government spent a billion dollars trying to create a Manchurian candidate, which I never saw the movie, but it's an attempt to get somebody that you can, at a certain signal, they'll do whatever you want them to do. And then, when you give them another signal, they'll return to their normal personality and won't know what they've done. And this involved the government in a lot of the LSD experiments during the war. I think a book is about to be published on this stuff, because Helms destroyed a lot of the files, but two or three were left and there's a book based on them now. A lot of it has to do with the terminal, what they call terminal experiments, when they actually kill someone. And usually it's double agents and so forth that they kill. They'll experiment with people up to a certain point but not kill them. But it's interesting the role that spouses have in this. There's a woman who lives in the Bay Area who's a... was married to a CIA person. She woke up in the middle of the night a year or so ago and heard her husband and two or three of his CIA friends talking about how they killed people. And the part that got to her is they were talking about how they made the bastards suffer when they killed them.

[31:14]

Maybe you could find some legitimate reason why a country should kill someone. Maybe during the Second World War, the various attempts to kill Hitler were justified. But it's something extra when you're talking about how to make the bastards suffer. I guess the British And Russians, particularly, have been doing this for a long time, but America is fairly new at it. I don't know what that means, 20 years or so. But it feels like, you know, it's all coming apart. I'm told that Congress has to pass a special bill where the government can't write social security checks next month. There's no money left to write social security checks unless they print a bunch. So Congress has to authorize the printing of a bunch of money.

[32:32]

And as you may know now, gasoline stations are already closed on Sundays. But we'd have plenty of gasoline if we leveled off our usage at the level of the first gasoline crisis, which was what, early 70s? We'd have plenty of gasoline if our usage hadn't exceeded that point. It's now way beyond that. But now there's gasoline and diesel fuel shortage. And lines at the gas stations. Of cars. So if no one gets hurt in this... Well, I'm afraid people have already been hurt, but if no one gets hurt in this nuclear accident in Pennsylvania, it's, to me, a wonderful thing that's happened. But in any case, the consequences of a massive evacuation or an accident much more serious than this... I don't know if we can absorb it. It won't be so easy to overlook the consequences of playing with, you know, an avalanche.

[34:04]

Prabhupāda says it's not a matter of realizing Buddha nature, but becoming aware of Buddha nature, becoming aware of Buddha and making it concrete. It's pretty easy, you know, relatively easy for the Beatles, say, to create a mantra or a song for a generation. But much harder for the Beatles to stay together. Pretty easy for the peace movement to stop, participate in stopping or changing, or as some people think, lengthening the Vietnam War. But much harder, in fact, it seems, Impossible. So far. Except there's a scattered connection. For the coalitions which work to stop the war, to work together in any way, I mean, they can get together to criticize the existing society, but can't get together to create an alternative society. So there's two responses to this kind of pollution.

[36:08]

of our water and land and the use of something like nuclear power, which one solution and one response is to try to stop it. The other response is to try to create some alternative. Again, it's pretty easy to have a vision of a marriage, but very much different to make a marriage work. Så en alternativ är att försöka stoppa det genom att använda sociala bilder. Och bilder är i slutänden sociala. Och den andra är att försöka skapa en alternativ. Och jag känner att buddhismens effort är först och främst att försöka skapa en alternativ. Den ideen om nirvana, is to create an alternative, an inclusive alternative to Samsara. Someone wrote us a letter and said... The... The letter, by the way, has brought in about $20,000 so far, which is pretty good.

[37:37]

But somebody wrote a letter and said, thank you very much and so on and so forth. But the restaurant doesn't say anything about how it's practiced. Or why you're doing it, to further Buddhism or something like that. And I like the response to the name. Some people write, say, greens, it sounds like a Jewish delicatessen. Why it sounds like a Jewish delicatessen? Somebody else says it sounds like an Irish pub. It has all these reactions to it. It must be a good name, you know, if it provokes so much interest. Anyway, but for... I think for us practicing Zen, if we're doing a restaurant, we're doing a restaurant. That's all. Maybe it's a community in disguise, but still, we're just waiters and waitresses or servers and cooks and... If you do a restaurant, you just do a restaurant. There's no other meaning to it. We don't have to add some fancy name. Place of eating practice. We don't have to say, this is the holy name, something. Just it's a restaurant, that's all. And the emphasis, Kobo Daishi's emphasis on making it concrete,

[39:06]

Buddhism's emphasis is that you don't get to morality through moral imperatives, but through your way of life. And people will follow where the energy is. They don't follow right and wrong, they follow where the energy is. You can't get people to stop dumping nuclear industrial waste by saying it's wrong. I remember when I was on the Episcopal Futures Council, There was so much discussion of how to get people to do things, how to explain what's right, when there was no sense of a way of life that you led. I know when I come into the building in the city, everything is in its place. The Buddha is on the altar. For zazen is a way we do what we do. And when I come here, I almost feel like I'm crawling into bed when I come to Sashin. You know, you crawl into bed and you pull the covers up, you don't have to worry about anything. I crawl into Sashin, pull my legs up, I don't have to do anything, just sit here.

[40:30]

I'm pretty relaxed about, you know, how we do things. But as we get toward the altar, I think we should be more and more accurate. And I'm amazed at how often I straighten the altar. Maybe I'm a little compulsive. But at some point we should have exactness. And 50% of the time the incense box there, is not centered. People center it by the divider, which is off-center. But there's a nice handy little cloud-shaped design at the bottom which does center it. Usually the mat's off, the pillow's off, then the table's off, then the incense bowl is a little to the side, and the middle leg is to the side, and then the Buddha is sitting in the altar, askew. And it may seem like a small thing to you, but this is a spot where we're supposed to set things up in relation to each other. And it looks relatively easy, you know? Just line it up and... But it's almost always off. And even though I've said this several times, it gets straighter for about a week, and then soon... I don't know. What's in your mind when you do things? There should be an area where we're very exact.

[42:07]

to make our practice concrete. It's very hard to just be here. As you know, when you sit, how hard it is to actually concentrate, how many other things come. And there is the concentration, as the sutra, 25,000 lines says, there's the concentration of adjusted thoughts and discursive thoughts. But we want to move toward the concentration Without adjusted thoughts and without discursive thoughts So when I come here into this lecture hall in my monkey suit and my funny stick I don't know anymore why I do it. When I do service, to me it's like a dance or a song of this place. I don't even know any meaning. But if we do the meal chant, what the meal chant does is locate us. First, Buddha was born and taught and was enlightened and died. And our relationship to

[43:41]

And our relationship to the Tathagata, to the Sattva, to the Bodhisattvas, to the vehicle, to the universe as vehicle, to the ten directions, past, present and future, locates us. And our relationship to the food, you know, where it came from and so forth. And if in all this we live, you know, as it ends, like with detachment like lotus in muddy water, in that way we bow to Buddha. I don't think the scientists or engineers or administrators or businessmen running the Harrisburg plant locate themselves in any such a way, certainly not in the scale of the Tathagata. to locate yourself in the scale of Nirmanakaya Buddha, Dharmakaya Buddha and so forth. So I don't know whether I'm fitting into a cut-out space like this that I fit myself into or whether by taking this space I create the cut-out.

[45:07]

But Buddha nature or the realization or awareness of Buddha is one of the possibilities. Maybe realization of Christhood is too, or any religion. But it's anyway one of the possibilities. And it's the sense in Buddhism of this order extending, like there's an arrow that points this way and an arrow which points this way. To be here in all the various scales and by our way of life

[46:17]

for us to express how we can live. So our emphasis is not so much to create the song, but to find out how the Beatles could stay together, or how you yourself can stay together, how you yourself can be concentrated, transformed, diluted, thoughts and life into pure mind or pure life, pure or unambivalent life. So instead of trying, although we are, Zen Center community is working with people who are trying to change the food industry, Mostly we are just trying to find a way to grow our own food. And it's pretty difficult just to make green gouts work. It's pretty difficult, and we're just this year getting to the point where we can actually focus on it. It took, what, nine or ten months to design the restaurant, but only a few months to make it. It takes quite a lot.

[47:49]

Det är lätt att tänka på restriktionen. Det tar ganska mycket för att nå till den punkt där vi kan... ...leve på en mån vi känner att vi borde. Men samtidigt som de som tog oss bart och nuklearplanter ville ta oss klorinatet vatten till Tassar. I mean, there's almost no place. Here we are in our own New Zealand. Lots of people have gone to New Zealand when they first heard of atomic bombs. So we came here to Big Sur, where the winds blow from the Pacific. You know, one of the big controversies, the hidden agendas in whether we should use bombs during the Vietnam War on China was Japan, because if you bomb China, The cloud will wipe out Japan. Because the winds blow across China towards Japan. But in California we're probably pretty safe. So we're not trying to avoid pollution, you know, or whatever, you know. But just trying to see if we can establish a way of life we find satisfactory.

[49:16]

Individually and together. We're very lucky here to be able to, a part of our life, a part of our year, to drink unmessed with water and air. Relatively good air. But most people, you know, You know, can't deal with a life, idea of a life without cars and hi-fis and so forth. They follow the energy. And we've had such a balloon of it. So it's important that we and others, and many artists do so, via our way of life, find a way of life that we're not dependent on. Our society being one way or another or producing electricity by nuclear power or not. Although we use it, I think we're quite ready to not use it. This is a very important statement. I don't know if it's Buddhist or not, but to make some statement in the

[50:45]

context of your society. What gives people freedom from their society is the work of Buddhism. Otherwise people think there's no alternative but more nuclear plants. Anyway, I'll try to keep ...roughly informed of what happens in Pennsylvania. Because although it's not... ...seems rather far away here... ...it's... ...probably as powerful an effect on the United States as the Vietnam War. And maybe signals... ...a much greater effect than the Vietnam War. United States. So let me go back to Pobodachi. To make the awareness of Buddha concrete in your life, the universe has a vehicle. How we live is how we vow to Buddha.

[52:09]

And the purpose of Satsang is to find out, to experiment right here with coming as close as we can to concentration, to forgetting and observing in our practice. This is an experiment. If you can do it, anyone can do it. If you can do it, others can do it. And you are some reason, for some reason, chosen yourself, or been chosen by circumstances, to conduct this experiment. I don't see any reason why you should waste your time. Maybe you want to do something else, but right now you have this chance to experiment with concentration, with how you exist breathing, eating, sleeping. It's hard to beat it. It's a very worthy experiment, very worthy of you, and of everyone, and of Buddha too. Very worthy experiment to try. And quite different, so it gives you a chance to try something different.

[53:31]

Not being satisfied with social images, but imageless life. Direct contact with your life.

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