1972, Serial No. 00238

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Q. You said that there is unnecessary desire and necessary desire, what would be some examples of that? A. Unnecessary desire, unnecessary desire, what do you mean by unnecessary desire? Q. Well, you said that we should not be entangled, we should keep away from entanglements, and if there is unnecessary desire, then is there what would be necessary desire? A. To keep away from entanglement is not to ignore desire itself. People always misunderstand this point. Buddhists don't ignore desire, the presence of desire. But when a Buddha

[01:00]

says, please keep away desire, people understand, well, yes, I don't like desire. First of all, you try to completely ignore desire, and then try to get something new. It is possible to do that, completely throw it away, and try to get something new, which has nothing to do with human life. But strictly speaking, what do you mean by keeping away from desire? There is a very important point here. To say, to keep away from desire is that there is

[02:15]

a truth, there is only truth, which there is desire. That's why we have to keep away from it. To keep away from desire implies that there is desire. There is desire. So, before you emphasize that you should keep away from desire, there is already the presence of desire. So Buddhism is very wonderful. Buddhism doesn't ignore the presence of desire. The other words, Buddhism takes the best care of the desire, which tries to do a new field of life,

[03:30]

according to self-viewpoint, in other words, desire. The human being has some characteristics, has characteristics, which they try to conquer something. For instance, there is lots of rules and orders. When you go to Japan, and if you try to ride train, ride on a train, many people make a line in order, with tranquility, calm. Before train come into the platform, everybody very calm. The moment when the train comes in front of you, keeping away everybody. This is human desire.

[04:47]

So Buddhism knows so well, what human desire is. So Buddhism doesn't ignore this human desire. But very careful, Buddhism tries to take care of this human desire very carefully, very carefully. Because truth exists within, what we call, within our here-breath, here-breath, in daily life or daily life, between the daily life and truth, enlightenment and delusion. The truth is right at the edge of water. There is ocean, and there is the shores, ocean waves is always coming here, to the shores.

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The truth is right just at the edge of the water. If you miss something, your life is completely confused, just a little bit, just a little bit. This is a touching. It's pretty hard to explain, but in your daily life, you experience so much, just a little bit. One moment, if you miss at one moment, you are completely out of the edge of water. So, water, waves, carry you into the ocean, beyond. So, the...

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But you shouldn't, you shouldn't, but you shouldn't, you know, you shouldn't let go of the ocean, you shouldn't let the human desire go as it writes, or at random, okay? You have to take care of the desire very carefully, okay? Very carefully. That's why the Buddhist practice is continuation, continuation of practice which is going on moment after moment, forever. That's why Bodhisattva's practice is based on patience, patience, forever.

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That's why we need the patience, because the truth, or human desire, the truth is... Truth, truth goes, truth can go in whatever direction by, by a hair breadth. The truth, or confusion, by the way of taking care of desire, you can go, you can go, you can turn your life into the truth, or you can go, you can go to the confusion.

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It depends on the way of taking care of desire. Whether or not the desire, or no matter where, no matter where desire goes, okay, to the truth, or confusion. Do you understand? So, unnecessary desire, or necessary desire, both is within a hair breadth, okay? Right at the edge of the water. Between the shore and water, right edge. So, the monastery, the master says, cut your shoes, cut your shoes.

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If you say, I want to practice Zen Buddhism, and cut. Then, command, he said, please command. At that time, when you put off your shoes, out of them, the master says, put off your shoes, put your shoes in order. It is a sort of idea, see? Sort of idea. Then, the moment when you think, well, that's the idea, that's the rule, that's the idea. The moment when you think so, your life is based on complete idea. What you created by you, that's idea. See? There is no Buddhism. There is random, confused life, okay, confused life.

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The moment when you think, well, it is rule, it is idea, there is confused life. Then, this is unnecessary desire. When you misuse your desire, just there. Well, at that time, on the other hand, when you assert, shoes in order, there is. Right, there is, just there, your life in order. This is necessary desire, this is necessary desire. But you can use it. Okay.

[13:03]

Getting this machine. I would like to transfer Shakyamuni Buddha, Dogen, many patriots' feelings, doctrines, to all of you, at any cost. Why did they have to explain human world in terms of negative aspect? Even though, when they explain the practice of Zazen, as Bodhidharma says, no merits. Also, Shakyamuni Buddha says, nothing.

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Nagarjuna says, emptiness. Dogen says, just sit. All Buddhas and patriots put emphasis on negative aspect in life. Yesterday, I explained the passages of Sutra. But, the translation I did was not so good.

[15:31]

I would like to change a little bit. I will read again. The first sentence is, There is the true hearted conduct in itself which is meaningful and reasonable. Yesterday, I mentioned the true practice which must be rich in content and reasonable. So, I would like to correct. There is the true hearted conduct in itself which is meaningful and reasonable. The second sentence is, Intently keep away from unnecessary entanglement and greed by attaining nothingness. The third sentence is, Tranquility, sacred wisdom and enlightenment are...

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This is a bit difficult. Anyway, I discussed this point with Jishan and Anja. Even they couldn't find the proper word. Anyway, I used, Tranquility, sacred wisdom and enlightenment are transformed into nirvana. Literally translation, To be transformed into nirvana is to be turned to enter to nirvana. To be turned to enter to nirvana. This is literally meaning. I used, We picked up the word transformed. Maybe it's not the proper word.

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Anyway, I will explain. In the first sentence, It describes about the meaning of artha. Of the artha. A-R-T-H-A As this sentence says, The artha is the true hearted conduct in itself which is meaningful and reasonable. Which is complete and universal and meaningful. Or which is reasonable enough to gain the confidence of. Or which makes a thing be as it is.

[18:41]

And makes the truth be as it is. And this is the true hearted conduct in itself. This is artha, the meaning of artha. So the artha is, The, According to my own word, The purest conduct. Purest situation of the conduct, the human conduct in the purest situation. This is artha. Which help, which sustain your life. Which make your life meaningful. Or which make your life alive as it is. This is the artha. The true hearted conduct.

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Then after the buddhism, when the buddhism, With the development of buddhism, Tendai, one of the buddhist school, Tendai, Describe this artha, Building up the doctrine. Saying the three kinds of truth. One is emptiness. The second is provisional reality. The third is the middle way. The Tendai school try to describe logically, On the subject of artha. The, Today, we should keep in mind, We can have, we can sustain,

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The true hearted conduct in itself. In our daily life. This is our practice. And also it is meaningful and reasonable. Regardless of the idea whether you are aware of it. The second sentence, Intently keep away from unnecessary entanglement and greed, By attaining nothingness. Keep away from unnecessary entanglement and greed, By attaining nothingness. The important point is by attaining nothingness. It doesn't mean, That,

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You try to, you keep away from entanglement and greed first, And attain nothingness. It's misunderstanding. The by attaining nothingness means, Means, Means, The Buddha, First of all, Accept, Perceive, Entanglement, Unnecessary entanglement or necessary entanglement. Or unnecessary desire or necessary desire. Or greed, unnecessary greed or necessary greed. First, What could turn your life into Buddha's world? Buddha nature? Or Buddha's confession? Then first of all, Buddha perceive, accept this entanglement.

[23:00]

But important point is, You should spread, you should show, display entanglement, And, And unnecessary entanglement and greed, Within the emptiness. In the realm of emptiness. In other words, It should be, they should be in the court. So called emptiness. Emptiness. For instance, I make it a rule, To have a chance, To talk, Something about, Life, according to Buddha's teaching.

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And, To contact, to communicate with each other, In, Fundamental ground, In life. Fundamental nature in life. In my family. This is, My way. This is my way. As much as possible, I try to get a chance to talk, Something about life, According to Buddha's teaching. And, To communicate, With each other, Not in the surface, Of the human world. In the, Fundamental, Level, In life. This is, Huh? Ah, you should put, put many times, okay?

[25:09]

On it. But anyway, I will explain. For instance, As long as, Even though, My wife, My children, Wife, Even, The wife is a temporary, Provisional reality. Provisional reality. This is my wife. Provisional reality. Because, actually, Sometimes, we are always fighting, you know? At the surface of human life, Also, we try to always get out, You know? Get out, Staying, Get out from the trouble, From the trouble, Staying at the surface of water. Surface water.

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Ignoring, looking into, Looking into the depth of life. In other words, we try to patch the hole. Patch the hole. Through the way, the water leaking. Ah, it's patching. If you patch the hole, this hole, Another hole, from another hole, water leaking. Next day, that's why you have to fight. The next day, we smile. Good morning, that's all, you know? Next day, again, fight. It's pretty hard. For instance, Same applies to your relation between the friends. Even though all of you are Zen students,

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So you know so well what's religious life. You understand so well depth of human life. Not surface. Nevertheless, you fight, you know, sometimes. Nevertheless, you sometimes, you have to fight. So, Then, you try to always, How can I communicate with my friend without creating trouble? Well, I have to, I should give some candy to him. In order to communicate much better. Well, I'm really angry with him, but maybe tomorrow morning,

[28:18]

When I meet him, I should smile. Something like that. Then, the moment you meet him, You smile, that's okay. But he doesn't smile. Just pass by. Then, immediately you feel angry. It's pretty hard. Entanglement. Sometimes, you have to ignore, okay? Such an entanglement. What happens at the surface of water? Then you try to sink into the bottom of water, okay? Then, if you sink into the bottom of water,

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I think you will realize, Something more than the many things which happens at the surface of water. Many fishes. Many fish. Many seaweeds. Very calm. Very quiet. That's why, to talk, Something about life, Something about life, Aspect of life according to the Buddha's teaching, Is to make me sink into the bottom of water. It is very good. It is very good. The...

[30:33]

One day, I fought with my wife. Concerning about just little, tiny, not so important things, But concerning with the matter of education, Children's education. The son went to the public school in San Francisco, Reading school. That time, teacher always gave lots of homework. It's pretty hard. It was very hard for the children to accomplish homework every day. But I understood the teacher, Why she had to give lots of homework,

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Because in one classroom, She had to teach 50 children. 50 children. One teacher, one teacher for 50 children, It's pretty hard to teach completely. So she always gave lots of homework, We should do this. But sometimes it's pretty hard to homework, To do homework. One day, the son started to cry, Because I don't want, I don't want to do homework, But I pushed him, What's the matter with you? You should do this. He said, It's not necessary,

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It's not necessary to do homework tonight, I will do tomorrow morning. No. You should do tonight. Then wife came. At that time, 12 o'clock. 12 o'clock. Phone, phone. It was 12 o'clock. So she was very angry with me. You should consider children's health. Shut up. I said shut up. And kick her out. And continue to let him homework. Next morning,

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We just, good morning, that's all. But I didn't fight with her, Anymore. Then, Every day, I tried to explain what Buddhism is, What Buddha's teaching is. How to take care of human life, According to Buddha's teaching. Watching carefully real reality. Then, She said, One day, I have completely been broken in by you. Do you understand? And she laughed. I have completely been broken in by you. Not by me,

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By Buddha. By Buddha. This is Buddha. This is Buddha. Do you understand? This is Buddha. Anyway, that's okay. I think by, So, Whatever happens,

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Sometimes, We need, We are in need of, Communicate with each other, In the, Deep level, Of understanding life. Instead of, Being crazy about, Punching the hole, Which happens at the surface of the world. Sometimes, you ignore. Then, Watch carefully, Yourself, And human life, According to Buddha's teaching. This is very important. That's why Buddha says, Intently, Keep away from, Unnecessary entanglement, And greed, By attaining,

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Nothingness. By attaining nothingness, Whatever kind of trouble, Entanglement, Or greed, Should be, Displayed, In the, Expanse, Field, Of, Nothingness. You're walking down, The street in San Francisco, In a Zen center, And somebody comes up with a knife, How do you, Not get entangled, In the unnecessary? How can you, Attain nothingness, In that situation? The, You mean, Hooligans? Hooligan? Hooligan? Hooligan? You mean a hooligan,

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Point a knife, To you? Against you? You have to, Take care of, Yourself, At that time, By, You know, Buddha's wisdom. Buddha's wisdom. Because there is no room, To think of it. There is no room to think of it. So just keep quiet. But it's not so easy. It's not so easy. That's why we practice. That's why sometimes, We have to, Think into the bottom of human life. What's happening in the surface. Because, It looks like it's, It is, The mostly same meaning of the death.

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Death? It's, It's, Mostly same meaning, Of the death. You can get out. So death itself, Or life itself, Is already spreaded, In the realm of, Nothingness. Realm of nothingness. So, It's pretty hard. It's pretty hard. Because, When you can see, When you can see it, Immediately you think, Wow, this is death. Death. But your body, Mind and whole body and mind, Immediately, Be against, Protecting your life. But, You can't protect your body and mind,

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Completely, 100%. It's impossible. Even though you do, Try to protect your life, At that time, You can't. 70% you can't. And then, 30% is, Make you, Make you, Afraid, Fear. What shall I do? Because, Already death, Life and death, Shown, In the realm of, Emptiness. Emptiness is, Already total picture of life, Including, Your life, 70%, And 30%. Okay? Okay? Well, In other words,

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For instance, I mention very often, About Japanese calligraphy, Using the brush, The way you write calligraphy, This is stick, And this is, Maybe 30%, The brush, Brush occupied, This, Brush, 30%, And, The half of the brush, You should, The half of the brush, The absorbed ink,

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Ink. When you write, Calligraphy, Don't use, Whole half, Of the brush, 70%, You should use, 30% is, Always free, 30% is, Always free, To for yourself, Or brush, For brush itself, For paper itself, For calligraphy itself, Okay? For flower itself, 30% is, Always free, Then you should use, Always 70%, That time, And then you write, Calligraphy, With the brush, 70%, Calligraphy is, Completely alive, Showing your spirit, Your body, Body and spirit, Beautifully,

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Why? I don't understand, But this is true, Because 30% is, Always free, In your daily life, You should be 30%, You should be get, You should get, 30% always free, Through the 30%, You feel, Alone, Lonely, lonely, You feel fear, You feel anger, You feel emotional trouble, When, The moment when, Your 7th, The 8th, The 6th consciousness, Start to be exercised, You feel, You feel, Pensive, Or sad, Or fear, Through the 30%, But this 30% is not, 30% doesn't occupy,

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The function of the human consciousness, 6%, But when your, The 6th consciousness, Start to work, You feel, Pensive, You feel sad, You feel, Lonely, But originally, 30%, Is, Means, 30%, Which is free, For you, Or for, Paper, For calligraphy, Is, Means, That, Your life, Is based on, Based on, Relative, Complete, Complete, Liberation, Okay? Liberation, In other words, Nothingness, No amount of, Discussion, Discrimination, This is life, Before you aware of, Yourself, Your life is,

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Here, But, In our daily life, You can show, You, You can manifest yourself, Only 70% or, 80%, Not, 100%, 100%, Whatever, How, However, No matter how, Effort you make, You can't show, You can't manifest yourself, 100%, Always, You feel, You feel, Unsatisfactory, This is, It comes from, 30% of your life, It means, Your life is, Originally, Free, Okay? Without, Nobody, Can disturb you, Nobody, Can disturb you,

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Even your, Six senses, Cannot disturb, Your life itself, But, When your, When your, Consciousness, Start to work, You feel that, Pencil, For instance, This is emptiness, This is truth, Every human, Every human, Is based on, Emptiness, But, The six senses, Immediately try to, Try to look at, This human being, Then, It's pretty hard, To get out, The function, Of the six consciousness, Because as long as, You were, The universe, What you, To say what you, What you are born in this world, Is to say, What your consciousness, Six, Consciousnesses, Works,

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Work, Okay? So it's pretty hard, But, Strictly speaking, It is okay, The Buddha doesn't, Ignore, The function, Of the six, Consciousness, Okay? The six, Consciousness, Always, Try to catch, Your, Total, Your life, Your life, Only this, Surface, Not, This, Base, Basic, Level, Basic, Level, Of your life, Is, Always, Free, Okay? Always free, Always free, That's why you, Whatever you do, You are free, You are free, You can make a choice, What to do, That's up to you, You want to go to Japan, You want to go to Europe, Or you want to go, San Francisco, That's free, Okay? You can do anything, Because,

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Everything, Is based on free, Okay? But, On this, Level, Of human life, You have to, You have to show, Your life, Your life, Based on, Complete, Liberation, Liberation, But, Human consciousness, No matter how, Effort, You make an effort, It's pretty hard to, Manifest yourself, 100%, In other words, Total picture, Complete free, Complete free, The complete free, Means, Complete liberation, Implies,

[49:18]

The total picture of life, Including, 70%, And, 30%, So you have to, Understand your life, Based on, The manifestation, Manifestation, Of yourself, With, Some feelings, Some feelings, With, Some feelings, As if, Melancholy, Or enjoyment, Or, Bitter, Suffering, Then, Human, We are always, Struggling, For, Escape from, This, Suffering, Or, Pain, Fear, But, strictly speaking, This 30%, Implies, Your life,

[50:19]

Is, Completely, Based on, Wherever you may go, Whatever you do, You always, Have to, Always feel, Unsatisfactory, This is true, But, This 30%, Is, Originally, Is free, For you, For you, For your consciousness, For, Others, For, The Zen, For, Teacher, For, Friends, It's fine, Whatever you, Feel, Please, Make your mind calm, And, All you have to do is, Make your, Every possible effort, To take, The best care, Of yourself,

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If you, If you are, The, In a flurry, To get rid of, You are always, Think, Into the, Quicksand, Quicksand, So, Yes? Isn't it possible, To find, Life satisfactory, No matter what happens? Is it not, Isn't it possible, To find, Life, Satisfactory, No matter what happens? Ah, Yes, You can, It is, You can, Find satisfactory, But, Satisfactory, You find, When you find satisfactory, Satisfaction, This satisfaction, Implies,

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Both aspects, Okay? Satisfaction, And, Satisfaction, Okay? In other words, You have to understand, Both, Seventy percent, Or, Thirty percent, Okay? Seventy percent, Make you satisfactory, Thirty percent, Make you, Unsatisfactory, I mean, Whatever you do, I mean, The hell with percentage, Isn't there a place, You can be at, Where percentages, Don't matter anymore? No, I mean, Whether it hurts, Or whether it feels good, No matter what, It's okay, It's satisfactory, But, I guess, I see this as a, Some kind of goal, Maybe, Ah, Some kind of goals? Ah, My idea, I guess, It's just my idea, Of the enlightened man, Is that, Regardless of what happens, Whether it's hot, Or cold, Whether it feels good, Or bad, You come to,

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Accept it, Just accept it, Without worrying about, Whether it's satisfactory, Or unsatisfactory. Yes. That's right. Yes, You're right. [...] But, Then, Please, Put many hours, On, Your, Your point, Viewpoint, Okay? In order to, Understand, Fully. I always mention, Not idealistic, Understanding, Okay? Idealistic understanding, Is okay. Okay? This is truth. Because, Idealistic understanding, Comes from,

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Your whole life. So I don't, I don't mean, I'm not saying, Your idealistic, Understanding, Is something wrong. Okay? Idealistic is, Okay, But, Idealistic understanding, Is, Provisional, Reality. Provisional, Reality. For, You. For, For not, Your, Actual practice. Okay? Actual practice. When you, When you come from, With, Your actual, Vivid practice, In your daily life, It's pretty hard. To put it, Put, To put your, Idealistic understanding, Into, It. Into, Practice. Always, You're confused. What's, What's wrong? Just accept. Yes, Just accept. But, Just accept, I understand,

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So, I understand, Yes. Just accept. But, It's not so easy. It's not so easy. For instance, When you sit, Zazen, Just accept. Just accept everything. Whatever happens. What is, Just accept? Immediately, When, The moment, When I see the, Beautiful face, Of the, Kannon Bodhisattva, I smile. Wow. It's not, Just accept. Already, It's me. It implies, That's my, Idealistic understanding, Already, Start to work. Flashing light. Flashing light. I think you understand, So well. About your, Concerning about your, Zazen. Concerning with your, Zazen. It's not so easy.

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That's why, Okay? That's why, Next, Third sentence, Says, Tranquility, Sacred wisdom, And enlightenment, Are, Turned, To enter, Into nirvana. Means, You understand, Yes. Just accept. Everything, Just accept. How, How, How percent, How percentage, How percent, How, Seventy percent, You are satisfied, It doesn't matter. Just accept. Unsatisfaction, Or satisfaction. But, That's, Acceptance, Should be turned, And, To enter, Into nirvana. Means, You know, You attain enlightenment, Through zazen, You know, Wow, Everything is very beautiful. Beautiful. At that time,

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When you see, When you go to the city, And see the many people, Who are struggling, For their life, You think, Oh, Poor guy. Why don't you sit? Why don't you sit? You don't understand, How wonderful zazen is. Why don't you sit? Means, You know, It means, You already look at the people, Who are completely different from you. See? You are enlightened man. They are unenlightened man. See? So there is, Some discrimination. There is, Amount of discrimination. You are not, Enlightened. Not enlightened man. So you are, Poor man. Turn, The acceptance,

[58:39]

Complete acceptance, Of your whole life, Must be turned, To enter, Into nirvana. To see, To see others, In the same, Undifferentiated, Dimension. Okay? Otherwise, Everybody, Are, Enlightened man. Okay? If you attain enlightenment, Enlightenment, You have to see, Other people in that way. Okay? If you have some, Amount of discrimination, You are not enlightened. You are enlightened man. It is not, The, Real function, Of you enlightened. It is not,

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